steven naismith

[Deathspike]

He seems like a decent player anytime I've seen him play, and on a free I'll absolutely take him. He used to work very well with Jelavic from what I understand, and it wouldn't hurt trying out that partnership here again.

Not to mention, we'll need another striker anyways if Big Vic is leaving according to the rumors.

 

[james2805]

He's coming to Everton because Weir has sold him to Moyes and he's costing a fee and wages. Anyone thinking in normal circumstances we'd be toughing this feller with a ****ty stick are off their heads. The worst thing about all thi is that it must mean her's been prioritised and that money is being ploughed into this deal. We have Pienaar still tie up and Donovan if we can. I'm assuming now that throwing money at this deal is a tracit admission that all that's now off the agenda.

We're in a terrible period of the club's history. A make do and mend pragmatic philosophy surviiving rather than building. These are the type of signings (and under disgraceful circumstances) that result from that utter failure to move forward.

"He'll do a job" That should be the club's new motto, because the use of the old one is completely fraudulant these days.

This post is embarrassing.

We will pay a fee and wages and you think that means the end of the world and the end of any possibility of any other signing, that is ridiculous. He wont be on astronomical wages and players have left anyway which has no doubt free'd up wages. His signing on fee wont be much either.

He IS an improvement on Cahill, who scored 2 goals in the second striker position last year! And he IS an improvement at Right Midfield over Coleman who is technically poor and we definitely play better football when the more technical players are in the team!

A few bodies have left too, Stracq, McFadden, Drenthe etc.

We need bodies in, and he is a slight improvement on what we have in the positions he plays.

I fully expect us to sign Pienaar and maybe 1 or 2 others still. I think the new Sky deal will have helped us in this regard. And I wouldn't mind us shifting out a few lesser players either.

 

[davek]

If you were a Rangers fan you'd be furious feelin deserted, betrayed and abandoned . if you were Naismith or his people you'd look at the fact that nobody knows WTF is going on at Rangers, half the fans don't know what's going on with the new owners nor what the future holds. rumours abound that the Newco itself could go under not to mention nobody knows where the club will (if even at all) be playing whilst former legends recommend a season ticket boycott, whose manager nearly quit last week and himself wasn't at training when the players returned and think I took a 75% pay cut I've done my bit why wouldn't I go ? ultimately to fans it's what people post on boards about or talk about in the boozer but how many of us do that about our jobs because that's what it is to the players a job ridiculously well paid or not

We've signed players who've told their selling club they were only coming to us thereby driving the price down or even threatened to strike to force a move through , players who've agreed to join other clubs but reneged to sign here, boyhood fans who've run for the door and on and on football is far from an honest decent business but I seriously doubt it ever was.

You're comparing apples and pears. There are transfer fees to be paid and there's a code of conduct to stop too much carpet bagging around age of players and compensation. The Rangers situation (and especially for someone like Naismith who professes to be a fan and who was telling their supporters for the past few months he was loyal to their club) is a step beyond that type of bartering and tactics. The club losing out is fighting for its life and every penny counts.

 

[Scottish Toffee]

If it's not contested, why is it being contested? Green's advised by his lawyers that an objection to a transference to newco had to be lodged by a certain period that well eleapsed. No disrespect like, but if someone in and around football clubs are being advised that I'll take that as a matter of contestation even if someone called gordonjohnblair says otherwise.

The other point: I said club's are not just businesses, not that they're populated charity donors. Where in the fcuk are we if this mentality prevails in football? Chaos. He's not on the breadline, he's rich already beyond our wildest dreams. You're providing way too low a bar for footballers to negotiate.

What his lawyers have probably told Green is that there is a chance that he could have a case but it is slightly speculative. Therefore, bigging up his 'case' is the best way into scaring his players to transfer. He could still come up good through a legal battle but I feel that this is the complete opposite of what he really wants. DaveK you have to realise that law is often about trying to get a settlement, avoiding court at every possible opportunity due to the hugely inefficient and expensive nature of the legal system. He is playing a fairly clever game but I'm sure Everton's lawyers will have provided advice given the facts portrayed by Naismith and the other Rangers players. the club is not that inept. I'm fairly certain every club interested in these players will have had their own legal team give them their professional opinion. I'm not saying that Green doesn't have a case, just that given all the information widely available this would be the conclusion of most counsels. A test case would be very interesting legally however. But the outcome would be years off - Green has stated he wants out quickly in the press before.

 

[Bigmaclad]

I think the simple answer to this thread is:

No one knows.

 

[davek]

This post is embarrassing.

We will pay a fee and wages and you think that means the end of the world and the end of any possibility of any other signing, that is ridiculous. He wont be on astronomical wages and players have left anyway which has no doubt free'd up wages. His signing on fee wont be much either.

He IS an improvement on Cahill, who scored 2 goals in the second striker position last year! And he IS an improvement at Right Midfield over Coleman who is technically poor and we definitely play better football when the more technical players are in the team!

A few bodies have left too, Stracq, McFadden, Drenthe etc.

We need bodies in, and he is a slight improvement on what we have in the positions he plays.

I fully expect us to sign Pienaar and maybe 1 or 2 others still. I think the new Sky deal will have helped us in this regard. And I wouldn't mind us shifting out a few lesser players either.

You haven't got a clue whether he's an improvement on anyone in the squad. You cant have because he's been plying his trade - in between hospital visits - in a different environment.

As for 'we'll get this one in and that one in'...you do realise this is Everton dont you mate? I think you're looking at the primary target of Everton's summer transfer window limping through the door in the next 48 hours.

 

[gordonjblair]

If it's not contested, why is it being contested? Green's advised by his lawyers that an objection to a transference to newco had to be lodged by a certain period that well eleapsed. No disrespect like, but if someone in and around football clubs are being advised that I'll take that as a matter of contestation even if someone called gordonjohnblair says otherwise.

The other point: I said club's are not just businesses, not that they're populated charity donors. Where in the fcuk are we if this mentality prevails in football? Chaos. He's not on the breadline, he's rich already beyond our wildest dreams. You're providing way too low a bar for footballers to negotiate.

[cough] James... it's Gordon JAMES Blair, makes all the difference and Rangers are trying to pull a fast one because, well... you would if you saw millions of quid walking out the door... we both know that there's not many lawyers who won't tell a client that there's an angle to contest legally, it's how they make their money, the more arcane, convoluted and time consuming the better.
Football is already where you're lamenting, but there's far worse than this that goes on.

Oh and one more thing, he isn't rich beyond my wildest dreams, I have some awesomely wild dreams where I have a moonbase and spaceships and all kinds of shiny stuff... with the utmost respect, he's nowhere near.

 

[sheeds]

You're comparing apples and pears. There are transfer fees to be paid and there's a code of conduct to stop too much carpet bagging around age of players and compensation. The Rangers situation (and especially for someone like Naismith who professes to be a fan and who was telling their supporters for the past few months he was loyal to their club) is a step beyond that type of bartering and tactics. The club losing out is fighting for its life and every penny counts.

I was just really pointing out that the whole business is always a wee bit murky at best. The only thing I would say again though is nobody has a clue what's going on there do they ? If you've took any interest in it , which it seems you have, you surely wouldn't be suprised if more scandals hit the press ? Nobody knows anything about it do they ? Whether Whyte is still behind the scenes , whether the club will even play anywhere next season, whether ally will quit or fans will boycott , whether new companies are carving off the assets or if the money is going into the same pot ? Being 100% If you were Naismiths agent and your job was to protect his interests coud you hand on heart say you'd advise him to stay ? I feel massive sympathy for the rangers fans but you can see where the players 'jumping ship' are coming from & what is for certain is it wasn't Naismith , his people or the fans who caused this mess.

 

[Librarian]

It's a difficult one

The whole point of NewCo Rangers is so THEY don't have to pay THEIR debts. They are leaving everyone they owe swinging in the breeze.

This makes Rangers the COMPANY fair game for anyone else to take advantage,

Although a football club is more than just a company. In my family, Everton is just about all me and the auld fella talk about.

 

[davek]

What his lawyers have probably told Green is that there is a chance that he could have a case but it is slightly speculative. Therefore, bigging up his 'case' is the best way into scaring his players to transfer. He could still come up good through a legal battle but I feel that this is the complete opposite of what he really wants. DaveK you have to realise that law is often about trying to get a settlement, avoiding court at every possible opportunity due to the hugely inefficient and expensive nature of the legal system. He is playing a fairly clever game but I'm sure Everton's lawyers will have provided advice given the facts portrayed by Naismith and the other Rangers players. the club is not that inept. I'm fairly certain every club interested in these players will have had their own legal team give them their professional opinion. I'm not saying that Green doesn't have a case, just that given all the information widely available this would be the conclusion of most counsels. A test case would be very interesting legally however. But the outcome would be years off - Green has stated he wants out quickly in the press before.

That's really not the issue - the outcome of this being contested. I was highlighting the grey area being used as a springboard to a signing on fee elsewhere.

 

[Deloodid]

did Davec **** Jelavic off before he come??

 

[AaronTheBlue]

He's a good playefr, quick feet, quick mind good on the ball, and good partnership with Jelavic, will be a good signing.

 

[Deloodid]

cant say sl*g but u can say [Poor language removed]?

 

[james2805]

You haven't got a clue whether he's an improvement on anyone in the squad. You cant have because he's been plying his trade - in between hospital visits - in a different environment.

As for 'we'll get this one in and that one in'...you do realise this is Everton dont you mate? I think you're looking at the primary target of Everton's summer transfer window limping through the door in the next 48 hours.

So you don't think he would improve on Tim Cahill's whopping tally of 2 goals and 2 assists? Don't kid yourself. He's an improvement if he does not have any injury setbacks (risk you take with ANY player to an extent)

I will be happy to quote these posts once he hits a tally of 3 goals.

And I know this is Everton, and I am almost 100% confident we will see Pienaar in an everton shirt again this season. Primary target? Get a grip.

Seriously sounds like you have it in for the lad, either that or you support Rangers in your spare time and are pissed about it.

 

[sheeds]

What his lawyers have probably told Green is that there is a chance that he could have a case but it is slightly speculative. Therefore, bigging up his 'case' is the best way into scaring his players to transfer. He could still come up good through a legal battle but I feel that this is the complete opposite of what he really wants. DaveK you have to realise that law is often about trying to get a settlement, avoiding court at every possible opportunity due to the hugely inefficient and expensive nature of the legal system. He is playing a fairly clever game but I'm sure Everton's lawyers will have provided advice given the facts portrayed by Naismith and the other Rangers players. the club is not that inept. I'm fairly certain every club interested in these players will have had their own legal team give them their professional opinion. I'm not saying that Green doesn't have a case, just that given all the information widely available this would be the conclusion of most counsels. A test case would be very interesting legally however. But the outcome would be years off - Green has stated he wants out quickly in the press before.

I think people Involved suspect the worst case scenario is sometime in the future a ruling like the Webster one with minimal compensation but with even that being unlikely