Silva must go

[Stephenlloyd]

They were out of the relegation zone with 3 games to go. Sunderland, Palace and Spurs. It was in their own hands.
Needed to beat Sunderland and Palace to stay up. Lost both 2-0 at home to Sunderland who were already down and whacked 4-0 away to Palace.

Yes that’s fair, but he did a great job to even get them in that position. And the Sunderland game, they were by far the better team, pickford had a great game for Sunderland. And they scored 2 late goals.

we have seen ourselves this season, how you can be in control and the opposition score with there first chance and that completely changes the game. End of the day to win 2 of the last 3 games would have been tough, even if they had beat Sunderland. Imo there’s no way you can blame him for there relegation.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Interesting comparisons in the media today between Solskjaer and Ferguson. How after three seasons Ferguson still hadn’t turned a decent United team around despite spending quite a bit of money but the board stuck with him.

Completely rational though for us to fire Silva after 7 games when he was given an absolutely atrocious squad to start with and has operated under the financial constraints left by the excesses of the previous regime.

If only we had an example in our own history where being patient with a manager and letting them build something over a few seasons resulted in success rather than knee jerking straight away.

Moyes put credit in his bank after this first full season so got time in his second but there were countless times we could have fired him but didn’t. That proved to be the right choice each time.

Martinez had three full seasons and it was obvious that the trend was downwards when he was fired.

Koeman was piledriving us into relegation as quickly as possible and had lost the players much like Martinez had.

Silva is not close to this yet. He’s not lost the players, he had an ok first season, it’s still early in this one and there’s been no irreparable damage so far (more just opportunities missed). There’s no grounds to fire him on whatsoever. I’ll admit he’s making life difficult for himself but long term decisions at the club can’t just boil down to whether he beat Sheffield United or not. The board either believe in him or they believe there’s a body of evidence as to why he should be fired. I can’t see that body of evidence as at the moment he has an 8th place finish behind him and hasn’t yet got us out of any comps this season.

If we get to the end of the season and Europe isn’t secured and we’ve regressed then the decision point might be then but doing it now is crazy. The only way he gets fired in my opinion is if he goes full Koeman and has us looking like favourites for the drop. We play like we did v City or Wolves and that’s never the case .

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I've always wonder if Koeman might of turned it around, I'm not sure he would, just like Silva wont turn around the backward step we have taken.

Koeman's heart/head weren't in it mate, he just looked like he couldn't be arsed.

 

[4737carlin]

Koeman's heart/head weren't in it mate, he just looked like he couldn't be arsed.

Yeah i guess so, from day one i dont think he took us serious, i think Marco does, but just hasnt got it

 

[willo30]

Interesting comparisons in the media today between Solskjaer and Ferguson. How after three seasons Ferguson still hadn’t turned a decent United team around despite spending quite a bit of money but the board stuck with him.

Completely rational though for us to fire Silva after 7 games when he was given an absolutely atrocious squad to start with and has operated under the financial constraints left by the excesses of the previous regime.

If only we had an example in our own history where being patient with a manager and letting them build something over a few seasons resulted in success rather than knee jerking straight away.

Moyes put credit in his bank after this first full season so got time in his second but there were countless times we could have fired him but didn’t. That proved to be the right choice each time.

Martinez had three full seasons and it was obvious that the trend was downwards when he was fired.

Koeman was piledriving us into relegation as quickly as possible and had lost the players much like Martinez had.

Silva is not close to this yet. He’s not lost the players, he had an ok first season, it’s still early in this one and there’s been no irreparable damage so far (more just opportunities missed). There’s no grounds to fire him on whatsoever. I’ll admit he’s making life difficult for himself but long term decisions at the club can’t just boil down to whether he beat Sheffield United or not. The board either believe in him or they believe there’s a body of evidence as to why he should be fired. I can’t see that body of evidence as at the moment he has an 8th place finish behind him and hasn’t yet got us out of any comps this season.

If we get to the end of the season and Europe isn’t secured and we’ve regressed then the decision point might be then but doing it now is crazy. The only way he gets fired in my opinion is if he goes full Koeman and has us looking like favourites for the drop. We play like we did v City or Wolves and that’s never the case .

Big difference though is Ferguson was flying with Aberdeen when Scottish teams were good.
They knew there was a good manager in there somewhere.
Silva almost kept Hull up and got sacked by Watford.

 

[Dave Gowers]

It is always easy to blame the manager,but some of the criticism is unfair.Against Man City (admittedly a great attacking side),our full back conundrum was exposed.Both Coleman and Digne are excellent going forward,but are weak defenders.We need the attacking aspect,but the defensive side needs addressing.Bernard helps Digne,but was not available.Walcott is also much better at this than Richarlison or Iwobe and presumably was selected with this in mind.The manager can't be blamed for illnesses or 2nd minute injuries.Of course Gueye would be a big help but his leaving was not down to Silva either.Gomes would also be a help to the defense--again--not available.Let's be realistic.

 

[Saint Domingo]

It is always easy to blame the manager,but some of the criticism is unfair.Against Man City (admittedly a great attacking side),our full back conundrum was exposed.Both Coleman and Digne are excellent going forward,but are weak defenders.We need the attacking aspect,but the defensive side needs addressing.Bernard helps Digne,but was not available.Walcott is also much better at this than Richarlison or Iwobe and presumably was selected with this in mind.The manager can't be blamed for illnesses or 2nd minute injuries.Of course Gueye would be a big help but his leaving was not down to Silva either.Gomes would also be a help to the defense--again--not available.Let's be realistic.

Allardyce could have set up the team to get a 0-0 against City. We’d have had about 20% of the ball and no shots on target but have got a point. When he used to do this people on here moaned that they’d prefer a manager who has a go even if we lost. You can’t deny we had a go against City. We had more shots on target against them than anyone else ha managed this season. We had good spells of possession, yes we could have lost 4 or 5 but equally could have won 2 or 3-1. It didn’t go our way but isn’t this the approach people wanted? A manager who can mix it with top sides and play a brand of football that’s effective against them not just defensive containment.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Yeah i guess so, from day one i dont think he took us serious, i think Marco does, but just hasnt got it

A big difference was Koeman didn’t have the team to do it and everyone including the board and fans knew it. He was coming out with ridiculous line ups every single game towards the end and none of it was working. He banished his own big money buys like Schneiderlin Klaassen Sandro Vlasic etc and was playing Davies and Niasse just to rescue games against Bournemouth etc. He didn’t even celebrate when Niasse scored the winner as he knew he looked stupid for exiling him. Every single indicator of a manager not knowing what he was doing (and also not caring) was there with Koeman. There was no pace anywhere in the team and no balance whatsoever.

Silva has the players to turn it round. Gomes Richarlison Digne Bernard are a completely different class to the likes of Bolasie Klaassen Vlasic Sandro Calvert Lewin etc who Koeman relied on. He’s been consistent in his selections (annoyingly so) but it still shows a manager who is still in control rather than one playing selection roulette with his first 11. The players still seem to be behind him also, there’s a world of difference between what we did against City than what we were doing under Koeman against Arsenal Chelsea etc.

A couple of wins and this all blows over. With the table the way it is we’ve undoubtedly lost an opportunity to strike an early blow but the chance still remains to finish this season in Europe and with good cup runs. It’s optimistic sure but we almost made 7th the last two seasons after horrific starts so there’s no reason if we arrest this mini slump that we can’t have a run at it.

 

[Desaparecido]

Interesting comparisons in the media today between Solskjaer and Ferguson. How after three seasons Ferguson still hadn’t turned a decent United team around despite spending quite a bit of money but the board stuck with him.

Completely rational though for us to fire Silva after 7 games when he was given an absolutely atrocious squad to start with and has operated under the financial constraints left by the excesses of the previous regime.

If only we had an example in our own history where being patient with a manager and letting them build something over a few seasons resulted in success rather than knee jerking straight away.

Moyes put credit in his bank after this first full season so got time in his second but there were countless times we could have fired him but didn’t. That proved to be the right choice each time.

Martinez had three full seasons and it was obvious that the trend was downwards when he was fired.

Koeman was piledriving us into relegation as quickly as possible and had lost the players much like Martinez had.

Silva is not close to this yet. He’s not lost the players, he had an ok first season, it’s still early in this one and there’s been no irreparable damage so far (more just opportunities missed). There’s no grounds to fire him on whatsoever. I’ll admit he’s making life difficult for himself but long term decisions at the club can’t just boil down to whether he beat Sheffield United or not. The board either believe in him or they believe there’s a body of evidence as to why he should be fired. I can’t see that body of evidence as at the moment he has an 8th place finish behind him and hasn’t yet got us out of any comps this season.

If we get to the end of the season and Europe isn’t secured and we’ve regressed then the decision point might be then but doing it now is crazy. The only way he gets fired in my opinion is if he goes full Koeman and has us looking like favourites for the drop. We play like we did v City or Wolves and that’s never the case .

So refreshing to read, Saint Domingo for the Board

 

[blueblue]

Interesting comparisons in the media today between Solskjaer and Ferguson. How after three seasons Ferguson still hadn’t turned a decent United team around despite spending quite a bit of money but the board stuck with him.

Completely rational though for us to fire Silva after 7 games when he was given an absolutely atrocious squad to start with and has operated under the financial constraints left by the excesses of the previous regime.

If only we had an example in our own history where being patient with a manager and letting them build something over a few seasons resulted in success rather than knee jerking straight away.

Moyes put credit in his bank after this first full season so got time in his second but there were countless times we could have fired him but didn’t. That proved to be the right choice each time.

Martinez had three full seasons and it was obvious that the trend was downwards when he was fired.

Koeman was piledriving us into relegation as quickly as possible and had lost the players much like Martinez had.

Silva is not close to this yet. He’s not lost the players, he had an ok first season, it’s still early in this one and there’s been no irreparable damage so far (more just opportunities missed). There’s no grounds to fire him on whatsoever. I’ll admit he’s making life difficult for himself but long term decisions at the club can’t just boil down to whether he beat Sheffield United or not. The board either believe in him or they believe there’s a body of evidence as to why he should be fired. I can’t see that body of evidence as at the moment he has an 8th place finish behind him and hasn’t yet got us out of any comps this season.

If we get to the end of the season and Europe isn’t secured and we’ve regressed then the decision point might be then but doing it now is crazy. The only way he gets fired in my opinion is if he goes full Koeman and has us looking like favourites for the drop. We play like we did v City or Wolves and that’s never the case .

If we lose away to Burnley at the weekend(there is a reasonable chance that could happen) I would suggest that we are looking at being in a relegation fight just as much as we were with Koeman(if it is possible to be battling relegation in October).

Sometimes when you get into a run of bad results it can be hard to reverse the trend, which was what worried me at the end of the Koeman tenure, I looked at our team and wondered who in that team was ready to fight it out with the team at the bottom who were used to scrapping for survival.

We are not in trouble yet, but if the next two or three results are poor I think the manager's position will be hugely at risk.

I think that for me the most worrying aspect has been how we have played rather than the results themselves.

The manager seems to know how to set up a team against the better teams but is clueless when playing teams around us.
We have been well beaten by Villa, Bournemouth and Sheff. Utd when we looked clueless in all three games.... that I find worrying.

 

[sdk]

October: The month when the rs celebrate winning the league and Everton supporters cry over having been relegated.

 

[Goat]

If we lose away to Burnley at the weekend(there is a reasonable chance that could happen) I would suggest that we are looking at being in a relegation fight just as much as we were with Koeman(if it is possible to be battling relegation in October).

Sometimes when you get into a run of bad results it can be hard to reverse the trend, which was what worried me at the end of the Koeman tenure, I looked at our team and wondered who in that team was ready to fight it out with the team at the bottom who were used to scrapping for survival.

We are not in trouble yet, but if the next two or three results are poor I think the manager's position will be hugely at risk.

I think that for me the most worrying aspect has been how we have played rather than the results themselves.

The manager seems to know how to set up a team against the better teams but is clueless when playing teams around us.
We have been well beaten by Villa, Bournemouth and Sheff. Utd when we looked clueless in all three games.... that I find worrying.

Under Koeman you could see how much trouble we were in, I honestly couldnt see us winning another game.

We arent there yet under Silva, we have been in games, not saying we have been unlucky, we have been well beaten, but it doesnt have the same feeling of hopelessness that it did under Koeman, yet.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Under Koeman you could see how much trouble we were in, I honestly couldnt see us winning another game.

We arent there yet under Silva, we have been in games, not saying we have been unlucky, we have been well beaten, but it doesnt have the same feeling of hopelessness that it did under Koeman, yet.

I’ve not thought at any point this season ‘throw Niasse on’. Under Koeman I was fuming when he didn’t start him and this place had a meltdown when he got a two match ban. That was how hopeless Koeman left us, we are nowhere near that currently.

 

[jamieni]

If we lose away to Burnley at the weekend(there is a reasonable chance that could happen) I would suggest that we are looking at being in a relegation fight just as much as we were with Koeman(if it is possible to be battling relegation in October).

Sometimes when you get into a run of bad results it can be hard to reverse the trend, which was what worried me at the end of the Koeman tenure, I looked at our team and wondered who in that team was ready to fight it out with the team at the bottom who were used to scrapping for survival.

We are not in trouble yet, but if the next two or three results are poor I think the manager's position will be hugely at risk.

I think that for me the most worrying aspect has been how we have played rather than the results themselves.

The manager seems to know how to set up a team against the better teams but is clueless when playing teams around us.
We have been well beaten by Villa, Bournemouth and Sheff. Utd when we looked clueless in all three games.... that I find worrying.

It’s been an issue for a while that. Under Moyes was the last time you could say we consistently beat the teams below us in the league. I think it points to a mentality issue rather than ability. We should have enough goals in the team. Just about application and desire IMO.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Really can’t see how people can keep defending him now really. The excuses are paper thin. Lose against Burnley then surely that’s it for him. Can’t be losing to the calibre of teams he’s losing against. Especially when not one of them have had to play half decent to beat us.