Should Everton Give David Moyes A New Contract?

[Dyo1878]

….we were in a mess last summer heading into that window with so many players out of contract, change isn’t instant especially with a large portion of the squad that has struggled for so long.

I’ve always felt Moyes himself isn’t in this for the long-term but I have no insight into that, he might well want to retire in 12 months. I do think the progress has been decent given the situation he inherited, I’d be sure the owners will want him to stay for at least another season.

Let’s see where we are this time next year, you could throw a blanket over the teams from the edge of Champions League qualification to mid-table. We certainly need to continue our progression.

What progression has there been this year? Like seriously?

We've got 49 points. It wouldn't shock any one if we finished the season with a draw on the weekend and a loss next week.

So that could be 2 points on the last 2 seasons. Is that really what we are defining as progression?

No young players developed at all. (And before you go on about Garner and O'brien like you've said previously, they are not young)

Out both cups pathetically.

 

[Moomin]

We need to build a big statue in honour of him on the River Mersey.

Similar to the Statue of Liberty.

ALL HAIL MOYES, THE GIVER OF GRUEL.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Well you seem to think he deserves one based on this season.

So if he gives us another year of 48 ish points he just keeps going on and on?

Palace have had stick for years of being a nothing club (before recent success). Finish 12th every season.

Is that what we should accept now? 9 time league winners Everton, accept lower midtable because that's what Davey tell us were good for.

I dont, I would replace him. But I don't think TFG will even consider a change so my thoughts don't mean much.

I dont like the idea of him going into the final year of a contract and signing players a new manager might not want in 12 months. I think a short extension makes some sense if they want to retain him.

 

[ToffeeScot]

In relation to the stability / danger of relegation posts -

Within the past three seasons we have never really been in danger of relegation, but the context of some of them alludes to us perhaps being in it. I don't think you can really judge whether you're in danger until Feb/March really if you're being 'sensible' and with hindsight but I can understand how people panic if it's December and they look off the pace or in a poor position as it's a good time to make changes. I know I have been in panic mode at points and I'm sure others have to, but when you actually look at it, we've been fine.

In 23/24 we reached the points total needed to stay up by matchweek 17. It was only really due to points deductions that panic stations were in motion.

In 24/25 we reached the points total needed to stay up by matchweek 24. We dipped with Dyche and made the right choice to change.

This season WH can finish with a max total of 42 points, but I think it's probably going to be less than 40 that keeps you up. We reached those totals by matchweek 28/29 respectively.

10+ matches to go with safety secure in all three seasons.

Even if you consider the average points total of 35.5 to stay up, we reached that by matchweek 31/32 in 23/24, matchweek 31/32 in 24/25 and matchweek 25 this season. 5+ each season and 15+ this season.

I think Moyes has probably 'elevated' the stability we see but I think we were relatively stable anyway on the pitch, it's time to move from stability into positivity.

 

[Eggs]

What progression has there been this year? Like seriously?

We've got 49 points. It wouldn't shock any one if we finished the season with a draw on the weekend and a loss next week.

So that could be 2 points on the last 2 seasons. Is that really what we are defining as progression?

No young players developed at all. (And before you go on about Garner and O'brien like you've said previously, they are not young)

Out both cups pathetically.

….they are young and they were even younger when Moyes arrived. Both significantly improved, add to that Iroegbunam and he’s brought Armstrong in.

The basis of the team is young. The plus 30s are Gueye, Pickford, Tarkowski and Keane. Keane is back-up but has played lots because of Branthwaite’s injury. All 4 have been worth their place although I’m sure Gueye and Tarkowski are nearing the end.

Last summers signings were Aznou, Dibling, Barry, KDH and Grealish on loan, all aged under 30. I think average age of his acquisitions is 22.

Sounds like Pickford, Gueye, Tarkowski are the problem because they’re over 30, not because they’re no longer effective.

 

[Lanolin]

….they are young and they were even younger when Moyes arrived. Both significantly improved, add to that Iroegbunam and he’s brought Armstrong in.

The basis of the team is young. The plus 30s are Gueye, Pickford, Tarkowski and Keane. Keane is back-up but has played lots because of Branthwaite’s injury. All 4 have been worth their place although I’m sure Gueye and Tarkowski are nearing the end.

Last summers signings were Aznou, Dibling, Barry, KDH and Grealish on loan, all aged under 30. I think average age of his acquisitions is 22.

Sounds like Pickford, Gueye, Tarkowski are the problem because they’re over 30, not because they’re no longer effective.

Sorry but this is just absolute nonsense, it isn't at all. The only semi-regularly starter who would ordinarily be classed as young in footballing terms is Iroegbunam at 22. We have one of the oldest average starting XIs in the league. Again, that isn't said to slate Moyes, but you can't just make stuff up and pass it off as true, the basis of our team is not young by any reasonable metric.

 

[preposterousvelios]

If the vast majority don't want to see Moyes be given a new contract, then surely it becomes more a question of - Why would you give a manager loads of money to spend and all the control in building a new team when he will be off at the end of the season and won't be the one managing that team?

 

[coollino]

Why isn't there an option for not minding either way

 

[Eggs]

Sorry but this is just absolute nonsense, it isn't at all. The only semi-regularly starter who would ordinarily be classed as young in footballing terms is Iroegbunam at 22. We have one of the oldest average starting XIs in the league. Again, that isn't said to slate Moyes, but you can't just make stuff up and pass it off as true, the basis of our team is not young by any reasonable metric.

….Moyes is a young fella to me, Matey.

 

[windymiller]

I’m genuinely surprised 23 people have voted yes. Why would you give him a new contract?

I guess to avoid having a manager in the last 12 months of his contract and the potential that that causes some players to take their foot off the gas. For the record, I want Moyes gone in a fortnight but I do kind of understand the not wanting a lame duck manager thing.

 

[Eggs]

If the vast majority don't want to see Moyes be given a new contract, then surely it becomes more a question of - Why would you give a manager loads of money to spend and all the control in building a new team when he will be off at the end of the season and won't be the one managing that team?

….i think that’s more of an argument for pre-DOF system. Players are more often brought in by committee these days, sure the Manager is part of the process and might have the final say but I don’t think it’s within the scope it once was.

 

[Dyo1878]

….they are young and they were even younger when Moyes arrived. Both significantly improved, add to that Iroegbunam and he’s brought Armstrong in.

The basis of the team is young. The plus 30s are Gueye, Pickford, Tarkowski and Keane. Keane is back-up but has played lots because of Branthwaite’s injury. All 4 have been worth their place although I’m sure Gueye and Tarkowski are nearing the end.

Last summers signings were Aznou, Dibling, Barry, KDH and Grealish on loan, all aged under 30. I think average age of his acquisitions is 22.

Sounds like Pickford, Gueye, Tarkowski are the problem because they’re over 30, not because they’re no longer effective.

James Garner was playing week in week out for us longer before David Moyes came to us. O'Brien played a full season for a big European team and in Europe and the only reason he wasn't in the team before Moyes was because of the dinosaur before him. And as well as he plugged a gap last year, he's largely a detriment to the team right now as he is not a full back and it kills us.

Armstrong played half a season at Preston, came back to us, played what 5/6 games. Gets punted onto the wing, makes a few expected mistakes out there never to be seen again rest of the season. Standard Moyes young development.

Keane should be no where near the team. He's a liability and has been for 10 years. The eye test confirms it along with every single metric you want to look at confirms how much worse we are when he plays. Yet Moyes/Dyche persist with him over the younger CB who is clearly a better fit for the modern game.

The problem is not their age, the problem is the manager flogs older players like Gueye when there are options on the bench to rotate, but he won't because he categorically does not trust younger players to do the job.

Dibling is touted as massively rated prospect. Played a full season in the league last year at 18, a regular England U21 starter. Yet Moyes sees fit to play the lad what 300/400 mins worth of football over a full season because he doesn't do the defensive winger role? Again, we are not operating in the modern world of football.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

….we were in a mess last summer heading into that window with so many players out of contract, change isn’t instant especially with a large portion of the squad that has struggled for so long.

We could have kept any player we wanted, we chose not to, because we had the capability to spend. Unlike every window for the previous 4/5 years.
It was a big positive, the club hierachy said as much and represented a real opportunity.

A mess was the windows when we were having to sell Richarlison, Iwobi, Gordon etc to stay afload.

Losing these, who we could have kept, wasn't a mess.

Asmir Begovic, Joao Virginia, Ashley Young, Mason Holgate, Jack Harrison, Jesper Lindstrom, Armando Broja, Abdoulaye Doucoure, Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Youssef Chermiti.

 

[Bluewater]

Moyes has a year left on his contract. By telling Moyes the club will wait until the end of next season, or close to it, that I feel will put him under sufficient pressure then maybe he'll think seriously about how he does in the cups. Of course, a bad ref. decision(s) could put us out of both cups, but he needs to go all out in the cups. Getting Europe would be borderline.

 

[brian labone]

Just get rid now, if he stays for another year he will still be a bad influence around the club and it worries me how he may spend any new money, if last year is anything to go by.