Sean Dyche

[GrandOldTeam]

We went backwards under Dyche.

Objectively, we didn't. He joined us 19th/level on points with 20th/lowest ever points total in clubs history after 20 games.

He left, with us having had every window under him making a big profit, with our head above water. Very much healthier than when he joined - particularly the ownership situation.

Very few Everton have left us in a better position than when they joined, even Koeman, Silva etc left with us in bottom 3.

But it's beyond tedious now, hate isn't going to change.

Couldn't stand the bloke when he was Burnley manager.

Then, he become Everton manager at our lowest ebb.

Sat 19th with the lowest points total in our history going into February, having just sold a big player with league leaders Arsenal x2 and Liverpool at Anfield due within the first 5 games.

Always grateful to the bloke for keeping us up when I thought we were gone. I shared my view that January why I thought we were doomed - most did. We were bookies, Opta and most Evertonians, even the usually half glass full felt we were about to go.

We stayed up.

Rather than celebrate and first pump and hug the board like the previous manager did the season before, he declared it wasn't good enough and the board needed to get a grip.

They didn't - more sales/profit was needed, and after 2 successive seasons of surviving on the final home game - we get battered by point deductions. After Palace, after Bournemouth if you told fans no investment and point deductions you wouldn't have given us much hope. Perspective wise, we think we're doing great now - take 10 points from us now, and we sit 17th and a result from relegation. Still, in that only full season Dyche had, we earned the points to finish 12th, closer to Europe than relegation. A great effort considering the chaos off the field.

Then, the wheels come off. That's football. It happens, pretty much every manager becomes a villain. His limited methods started to fail, and as soon as new owners come in, he had to go. He knew it, TFG knew it.

For me, the healthy thing is acknowledge the job he did in keeping us up, and appreciate he was only Everton manager as a symptom of the failings of Moshiri and the custodians of the club at the time. Day one of his appointment he admitted he shouldn't be Everton manager.

He did his job, he kept us a Premier League team while we had to make profit after profit until we got new owners.

There, that should set us up nicely.

Oh, can someone tag me on his first appearence on talkSport? I want to be here for when he talks up his record win rate at Nottingham Forest.

 

[Nymzee]

Objectively, we didn't. He joined us 19th/level on points with 20th/lowest ever points total in clubs history after 20 games.

He left, with us having had every window under him making a big profit, with our head above water. Very much healthier than when he joined - particularly the ownership situation.

Very few Everton have left us in a better position than when they joined, even Koeman, Silva etc left with us in bottom 3.

But it's beyond tedious now, hate isn't going to change.

Please see my above post. I’ll await the math.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Please see my above post. I’ll await the math.

Lampard sent us backwards from Benitez.

Dyche improved us from Lampard, despite the clubs situation getting progressively worse.

Dyche left us in a better position than he inherited - Lampard didn't.

That's objectively true.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Please calculate his PPG in the final season, times it by 38, and tell me if it’s the same or more points than the previous season.

If it isn’t, we objectively went backwards.

I don’t need a calculator to tell me that 17 points from 19 games and 17th in the league is not a worse position than 15 points from 20 games and 19th in the league.

His performance in his final season was worse than the one before, correct, but Everton did not go backwards under Dyche from where he picked us up from.

Even his worst run of form at the club in his final season still left us in a better position than when he picked us up. He’d also flushed through two points deductions and 4 windows of sell to profit transfer policy. Objectively a better position, even by the end, a necessary job someone had to do at the club.

 

[Nymzee]

Lampard sent us backwards from Benitez.

Dyche improved us from Lampard, despite the clubs situation getting progressively worse.

Dyche left us in a better position than he inherited - Lampard didn't.

That's objectively true.

Please answer the post I’ve referred to twice now. I’ll await the math that objectively shows we went backwards under Dyche.

(Hint: I already the answer)

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Please answer the post I’ve referred to twice now. I’ll await the math that objectively shows we went backwards under Dyche.

(Hint: I already the answer)

Sigh.

I need to clear out the wums from here this summer.

Definitely.

 

[Deulofeumygod]

Is the gravy guzzling gaslighting gimp going to get another high profile job and all the millions after they realise he is a fraud?

 

[Nymzee]

Sigh.

I need to clear out the wums from here this summer.

Definitely.

Actually absurd you call me a WUM just because you’ve been proven wrong. Don’t be so childish.

 

[Nymzee]

For anyone wondering:

Dyche’s final season had us at 0.89 ppg so just under 34 over a full season.

Year before that we finished on 40 points.

We objectively went backwards under him and was rightly binned.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Actually absurd you call me a WUM just because you’ve been proven wrong. Don’t be so childish.

You're being an antagonistic WUM, and the stick gets boring.

Form of course fluctuates, compare Moyes ppg this season to last and you could say he's sending us backwards. Every club will go backwards under a sacked manager at the end - thats why they get sacked.

But the debate was clearly between managers - Benitez, Lampard, Dyche. As you well know.

Wasting my time though, because like I say, WUM.

 

[jaycee]

He was an obnoxious person at Burnley, the same at Goodison, at the City ground and now touting himself around radio talk shows, Mike Walker saved us from relegation where are the people cheering him on?
As for all the bull he's spouting it's pretty much the same as every manager does, it's like the player rallying cries, it's just noise

 

[Nymzee]

You're being an antagonistic WUM, and the stick gets boring.

Form of course fluctuates, compare Moyes ppg this season to last and you could say he's sending us backwards. Every club will go backwards under a sacked manager at the end - thats why they get sacked.

But the debate was clearly between managers - Benitez, Lampard, Dyche. As you well know.

Wasting my time though, because like I say, WUM.

Your ego is become as fragile as Dyche’s.

His PPG went from 1.30 to 0.89 = objectively worse.

Haven’t calculated Moyes but I’d imagine that’s down too = also backwards. Home form has been atrocious.

It’s fine to just agree with someone even if you dislike them.

 

[Saint Domingo]

For anyone wondering:

Dyche’s final season had us at 0.89 ppg so just under 34 over a full season.

Year before that we finished on 40 points.

We objectively went backwards under him and was rightly binned.

Ah so we’re talking about going backwards compared to the season before and not backwards overall?

 

[Nymzee]

Ah so we’re talking about going backwards compared to the season before and not backwards overall?

Yeh we went backwards under him. Same with Lampard. That’s why both got sacked. Moyes our PPG is also probably going backwards but we’re not in danger so less talk about him being replaced (but not none).

I’m not trying to pick on Dyche here, just being factual, which he loves.

 

[Efcjake]

By any metric, we didn’t

3 wins in 19.

How's that for one