Sean Dyche

davek said:
There's no actual proof Bielsa wanted that job or was even approached. it was all 'according to reports'.

No one wanted a poison chalice like a rock bottom Everton with zero money to spend and a ropey squad with all the club's leadership having deserted it.
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Was really credible reports though.

Bielsa flew in from Argentina, the coverage was there of that and the randomness of his proposal, by the most credible reporters - which was he didn't give us a prayer so would manage the academy and be manager of the senior team from the summer makes me believe it was true.

I think we'd have gone down with Bielsa, the fact it was him and Dyche as the two speaks volumes of the chaos around the club. Dyche got the job, through his own admission on day one, because the club was on its absolute arse and nobody else would touch it. It was genuinely lowest ebb for me. Have to remember we were lowest ever points total in club history - 15 points from 20, going into February with a really bad run of games coming up. I think in PL history only West Brom (04/05) with the greatest escape ever, and Leicester 2014/15 stayed up with less after 20 games, 1 point less, 14 from 20. They won the league the season after.
 
davek said:
There's no actual proof Bielsa wanted that job or was even approached. it was all 'according to reports'.

No one wanted a poison chalice like a rock bottom Everton with zero money to spend and a ropey squad with all the club's leadership having deserted it.
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Bielsa met Moshri in london in 2023.
Dont kid yourself nobody is taking the 5m paid to Dyche either. Tough gig but we were out of the bottom 3 in his first game.
 
I thought there might be a mention of Julian Brandt in here. No, it seems Baz got his Julians and Jagielkas mixed up on ToffeeTV.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
Was really credible reports though.

Bielsa flew in from Argentina, the coverage was there of that and the randomness of his proposal, by the most credible reporters - which was he didn't give us a prayer so would manage the academy and be manager of the senior team from the summer makes me believe it was true.

I think we'd have gone down with Bielsa, the fact it was him and Dyche as the two speaks volumes of the chaos around the club. Dyche got the job, through his own admission on day one, because the club was on its absolute arse and nobody else would touch it. It was genuinely lowest ebb for me. Have to remember we were lowest ever points total in club history - 15 points from 20, going into February with a really bad run of games coming up. I think in PL history only West Brom (04/05) with the greatest escape ever, and Leicester 2014/15 stayed up with less after 20 games, 1 point less, 14 from 20. They won the league the season after.
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I remember the day he was hired and the photo of Dyche + Thelwell and thinking 'relegated'.

In retrospect we needed someone who didn't really give a flying one about what people thought, didn't have an owner meddling every step of the way, and who had skin like a rhinoceros.

In short: we lucked out.
 
Gilbert.. said:
Bielsa met Moshri in london in 2023.
Dont kid yourself nobody is taking the 5m paid to Dyche either. Tough gig but we were out of the bottom 3 in his first game.
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Because he beat the league leaders Arsenal at Goodison after a week of training. That Arsenal team finished on over 90 points.

Look at Spurs and the issues they’ve got with Tudor, who hasn’t provided a single bit of new manager bounce. They got annihilated by Arsenal in their first game.

To stay up from the position we were in the we had to beat the teams around us and get some unexpected results. We did that with the wins v Leeds Brentford Bournemouth and got 6 points from Arsenal and Brighton away that rocked the other teams around us at the time. Add in the draws in difficult circumstances down to ten and behind v Spurs, behind away at Chelsea, last minute v Wolves, from behind v Leicester.

No one is saying it was pretty or good football, or an amazing points total. They’re saying that there’s plenty of managers who cannot turn around relegation threatened teams, can’t stop the death spiral, and can’t keep the points ticking over to get them over the line. Dyche took a basket case which had a front line of Gray Maupay Calvert Lewin (injured) Simms Towsend Iwobi and had them scrapping to stay in the division.

If people take one look at what is going on at Spurs, or what happened at Leicester in that season, or what happened to the Newcastle team that went down, or the Villa team, and still can’t give Dyche an ounce of credit for avoiding that fate with us then it is what it is, but he’ll always have my thanks for preserving our premier league status which led to our takeover and everything we’re enjoying now.
 
davek said:
I remember the day he was hired and the photo of Dyche + Thelwell and thinking 'relegated'.

In retrospect we needed someone who didn't really give a flying one about what people thought, didn't have an owner meddling every step of the way, and who had skin like a rhinoceros.

In short: we lucked out.
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I think Bielsa would have been a mess here.
His small squads and massive intensive press approach, starts off well but gradually runs your player into the ground.
We were failing off the field to much for what he would have wanted to change on the field..
 

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