People coming in here unprompted, untagged, complaining about people still talking about Dyche, whilst simultaneously themselves still talking about Dyche, is amusing.
Sean Dyche
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The insinuate from the sideline, too cool for school snidey posts - whatever side you're on. Just the worst type of posts, offering no contribution.
Do better.
Efcjake
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What's the strawman?
Just answer me this.
Did you think the players had downed tools or dropped their effort because of Dyche's contract expiring?
That is what you said earlier today.
Dyche says this is the reason, do you agree?
Except you implied it, and my quote would've stayed the same if I quoted that half of your post anyway.
We can argue semantics all you like, but that's not a strawman, and Dyche was also never a pragmatist and never will be. More of a strawman is "look, we had good form" and showing 6 games which were great, ignoring the before and after turgid form - those wins were a majority of our win% for the entirety of the calendar year, which is why he should've been sacked even earlier, but we were in owner limbo. If he was winning games it'd be unjustified sacking, but he downed tools, randomly abused a player, took bizarre fights with fans over nothing and then asked to be sacked. Tit behaviour at the very least.
Do the Forest fans that hate Dyche have this Lampard syndrome as well? What about all the former players who hate him?
Things like this;
You oversimplify/make up arguments often.
Dyche says what is the reason for what?
As for managers contracts - like I've said with Moyes, Glasner, as well as others including Dyche plenty of times. I've even had the debate before with you here.
You can't have a situation where you allow a manager to see out their contract. It's not helpful, and will be a negative factor. Dyche said players stopped listening to him, and I'm saying I'm not surprised given his limited style needs buy in more than most/half of them were off that summer, and the other half knew Dyche was off.
It's why, and as I've said plenty of times on here in recent months - Moyes either needs sacking this summer, or given a new contract. We shouldn't be going into a new season with a manager with months on his contract.
Except, I didn't.
You just made it up.
Well, Forest fans hate every manager. They wanted Ange gone after 2 games.
They're not the most stable of fanbases, I mean;
Saint Domingo
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Ffs the one day I actually do some work and I miss all this!!
Efcjake
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Is this not you echoing Dyche saying the reason it wasn't working in the last season was down to his contract status?
Because that's exactly how it comes across to me.
That poster seems quite familiar
Efcjake
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Dyche blames the contract situation for the reason why results were bad as he claims the players weren't listening to him because there was no guaranteed long term future after that season for him. He's used that as his justification for why he was going an honourable thing quitting and asking for a pay off.
As for not being surprised, were you not surprised to hear him say that? You yourself repeatedly said you weren't seeing players downing tools right up until before he quit.
January 2025
January 2025
I've not read or heard Dyche say his contract was a factor - so I've never commented on it.
When did he say that?
I'm not saying he didn't say it either, I've just never known him to make that comment.
I'm certainly not echoing anything Dyche has said as the reason, because I said it long before he was Everton manager about the likes of Allardyce, whilst he was Everton manager and after he was Everton manager about others, as recently as Moyes/Glasner.
My post in this thread is clear;
To recap;
1. It's not helpful to have a manager with months on their contract.
2. A club has to sack a manager who declares his players have stopped listening to him.
3. My own view is I'm not surprised players stopped listening to him, knowing half of them were leaving and the other half knew he was gone in a few months. This long held view is why I've said a lot Moyes needs a new contract this summer if he is to stay.
That's not me saying a manager is doomed to fail/their contract status is the be-all and end-all.
Can I have a link to this?
- Is this not you echoing Dyche saying the reason it wasn't working in the last season was down to his contract status?
We seem to be missing some imput mate, what are you doing leaving the boss like this. he's like a lone wolf out there today..
Does he mate yeah?
Again - not heard/seen that.
Not surprised to hear what?
January 2025
January 2025
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Yeah - no 'gotcha' there I'm afraid. I still agree with all of that.
Players didn't down tools/give up - we didn't have a collapse - in his last 5, we drew with Arsenal and Man City away, and Chelsea in his last 5 - we get tonked in them games if they downed tools - as all season, we just couldn't win a game;
Not listening to someone, isn't the same as lack of effort. Not listening because no respect, but the effort can be there for the club.
TFG come in before Chelsea, after his first defeat / Forest, I was saying we had to get rid.
That's all besides the point - at that point after Forest, the manager was telling people his players weren't listening to him. That's his own view, but its a view that invites sacking.
Whether they were or weren't, none of us will know - but what I do know is major alarm bells if a manager is saying his team dont listen.
Efcjake
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I was referring to this you posted earlier today
This comes across to me as an attempt to explain the poor results that season as being down to the managers contract uncertainty rather than his inability.
It frames Dyche's decision to beg for the sack and a pay off as him acknowledging he couldn't do any more and that this wasn't his fault but the fault of the club for not extending his contract so players would listen to him.