2022/23 Sean Dyche

[TheBigIguana]

under Lampard it was mad he didn't play AM more after the Palace game.

But Dyche has literally had two games, at home to Arsenal (when the midfield worked brilliantly) and away at Anfield.

You're just making sweeping judgements. He could well play Iwobi central tomorrow.

I'll gladly come in and say I was wrong about him after we pick up the 3 points but I don't feel optimistic that it'll go that way.

Frankly if he planned to do that he'd have been in that spot for Doucoure most likely.

 

[BlueToff]

I'll gladly come in and say I was wrong about him after we pick up the 3 points but I don't feel optimistic that it'll go that way.

Frankly if he planned to do that he'd have been in that spot for Doucoure most likely.

I don't understand this - you're judging off two games against the league leaders (where the midfield worked a treat) and away at Anfield.

We're now playing Leeds and maybe he'll look to change things up. He might not.

Nobody is asking you to say you love the bloke. I doubt anybody does. It's also not all resting on tomorrow for you to do that. It's just these mad statements you come out with that honestly suggest you don't even watch our games at times.

We're a really poor side with very poor players. We need our manager to get it together sharpish and get them onto some run of form. They aren't the 18th worst team in the league, I'll give you that. But they're definitely not much better than that and look at the bottom 8 - there's six/seven points between us all. We are where we are because we belong there - players, managers and recruitment.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I don't understand this - you're judging off two games against the league leaders (where the midfield worked a treat) and away at Anfield.

We're now playing Leeds and maybe he'll look to change things up. He might not.

Nobody is asking you to say you love the bloke. I doubt anybody does. It's also not all resting on tomorrow for you to do that. It's just these mad statements you come out with that honestly suggest you don't even watch our games at times.

We're a really poor side with very poor players. We need our manager to get it together sharpish and get them onto some run of form. They aren't the 18th worst team in the league, I'll give you that. But they're definitely not much better than that and look at the bottom 8 - there's six/seven points between us all. We are where we are because we belong there - players, managers and recruitment.

I don't really think if you have a grasp on what Iwobi is good at that you ever put him wide right. Not against the league leaders. Not at Anfield. So yeah it is two games but the number of times you do that really should be zero.

My fear is that we've got another manager who looks at the team as being unable to play and doesn't even try. I guess Lampard tried but he was just a disaster so it didn't work either. Yeah sure it is two games but are Liverpool that good that we can't put anything resembling a plan together and just have to launch long and aimlessly until we're out of the game and they're taking the pressure off?

Look I just want to see some signs we're turning it around. Even a small thing like committing to Iwobi central and McNeil on the right would suggest we see where we need to go even if in time those aren't going to be the players who will take us there. If these last 16 games are just rigid defense and hoping to nick goals to win tight games we might stay up and we'll also have put off getting better at football for another 6 months. I'd just really like that part to stop.

 

[LucBesson]

I don't really think if you have a grasp on what Iwobi is good at that you ever put him wide right. Not against the league leaders.

Whatever he did against Arsenal won the game. It was (at least at the time) only the second loss they'd had all season. So how the **** you can complain about it I have no idea.

 

[BlueToff]

I don't really think if you have a grasp on what Iwobi is good at that you ever put him wide right. Not against the league leaders. Not at Anfield. So yeah it is two games but the number of times you do that really should be zero.

My fear is that we've got another manager who looks at the team as being unable to play and doesn't even try. I guess Lampard tried but he was just a disaster so it didn't work either. Yeah sure it is two games but are Liverpool that good that we can't put anything resembling a plan together and just have to launch long and aimlessly until we're out of the game and they're taking the pressure off?

Look I just want to see some signs we're turning it around. Even a small thing like committing to Iwobi central and McNeil on the right would suggest we see where we need to go even if in time those aren't going to be the players who will take us there. If these last 16 games are just rigid defense and hoping to nick goals to win tight games we might stay up and we'll also have put off getting better at football for another 6 months. I'd just really like that part to stop.

Well we won that game and Iwobi played his part in beating Arsenal by being very defensively sound. He also played right in some games we absolutely saw the best of what he can offer under both Lampard and Carlo. It's not perfect but he'll give you what he's got.

As I said, it's more effective having McNeil on the left if you're going to cross the ball than it is having Iwobi there. Likewise Gray is more of a goal threat than anybody and is better off the left. It's the unfortunate situation we find ourselves in.

Doucoure is a better box-to-box, bustling midfielder that was required for that Arsenal game than Iwobi is. Deal with it, because it's true.

Why do you want McNeil on the right? He has not had one single good moment for us on the right wing. He never played there for Burnley. He is simply not cut out for it.

I just can't get my head round this. What games have you seen McNeil play in and thought he suits being on the right? He might profile like a left-footed RW but put it into practice and it's very different. Yet when he's played on the left he at least has looked like he knows what he's doing.

Again, do you actually watch our games?

 

[TheBigIguana]

Well we won that game and Iwobi played his part in beating Arsenal by being very defensively sound. He also played right in some games we absolutely saw the best of what he can offer under both Lampard and Carlo. It's not perfect but he'll give you what he's got.

As I said, it's more effective having McNeil on the left if you're going to cross the ball than it is having Iwobi there. Likewise Gray is more of a goal threat than anybody and is better off the left. It's the unfortunate situation we find ourselves in.

Doucoure is a better box-to-box, bustling midfielder that was required for that Arsenal game than Iwobi is. Deal with it, because it's true.

Why do you want McNeil on the right? He has not had one single good moment for us on the right wing. He never played there for Burnley. He is simply not cut out for it.

I just can't get my head round this. What games have you seen McNeil play in and thought he suits being on the right? He might profile like a left-footed RW but put it into practice and it's very different. Yet when he's played on the left he at least has looked like he knows what he's doing.

Again, do you actually watch our games?

He actually did play there at the end of last season for Burnley, after they relieved themselves of Dyche, and wasn't half bad at it. I went back and watched when we signed him and he did a reasonable job finding space inside and moving the ball into dangerous areas. This is what I've seen in the limited times he's been there for us. He's not good! But he does a passable job getting central and finding pockets that can open up space for runners.

I personally think he looks terrible on the left. Like unplayable bad. He does that little half step to fake like he's crossing and then hits the defender with the actual cross over and over. He's easily penned in on the touchline. His passing goes backward or down the side where it isn't a threat. A complete 0.

Iwobi is a better box to box midfielder than Doucoure and failure to realize this in time would be poor management. IMO Iwobi has never really been all that good on the right. Even those games under Carlo I thought it was more about hard work and tackling than effecting the game with the ball. We need to get him central because he can impact the game in possession from there and that is something very few of our players are even capable of on a good day.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Whatever he did against Arsenal won the game. It was (at least at the time) only the second loss they'd had all season. So how the **** you can complain about it I have no idea.

That Arsenal game reminds me of the Chelsea game that Ferguson took charge of. It probably can't be a week to week plan because a lot of it was driven by a level of intensity that is hard to replicate.

Would love it if he could but an away derby feels like a place to not drop off and we definitely did.

 

[BlueToff]

He actually did play there at the end of last season for Burnley, after they relieved themselves of Dyche, and wasn't half bad at it. I went back and watched when we signed him and he did a reasonable job finding space inside and moving the ball into dangerous areas. This is what I've seen in the limited times he's been there for us. He's not good! But he does a passable job getting central and finding pockets that can open up space for runners.

I personally think he looks terrible on the left. Like unplayable bad. He does that little half step to fake like he's crossing and then hits the defender with the actual cross over and over. He's easily penned in on the touchline. His passing goes backward or down the side where it isn't a threat. A complete 0.

Iwobi is a better box to box midfielder than Doucoure and failure to realize this in time would be poor management. IMO Iwobi has never really been all that good on the right. Even those games under Carlo I thought it was more about hard work and tackling than effecting the game with the ball. We need to get him central because he can impact the game in possession from there and that is something very few of our players are even capable of on a good day.

But you did watch the Arsenal game no, and see him put in that great ball for Doucoure from the left? You did see him actually look like he knew what was doing and how to play the position, win us vital corners. You did see that he won us the corner on Monday for when we hit the post, by doing that same thing. You did see that his two goals for us this season came from when he was on the left flank? You have actually watched him play for us, on the right, and see that he hasn't created anything of note from that position and is actually everything you say he is on the left?

Iwobi is a better attacking midfielder but for the needs of the Arsenal game, which was to do a man-marking job on Zinchenko and then offer a threat of a player arriving late into the box, Doucoure was a better option. In other games that might not be the case.

But this is the thing, this isn't FIFA. You can't just set up one template and expect it to work against all sides.

If we play Maupay up top tomorrow then I'd like to see Iwobi central behind him so we can hopefully thread some passes through. But if it's Simms then frankly we need someone who's going to offer another attacking threat into the box and I think Doucoure is better than that.

 

[BlueToff]

That Arsenal game reminds me of the Chelsea game that Ferguson took charge of. It probably can't be a week to week plan because a lot of it was driven by a level of intensity that is hard to replicate.

Would love it if he could but an away derby feels like a place to not drop off and we definitely did.

But we saw the same issues in the derby that we did under Lampard. The managers are completely different, so that shows you the common theme and that's the players. Because they are not good players.

 

[TheBigIguana]

But we saw the same issues in the derby that we did under Lampard. The managers are completely different, so that shows you the common theme and that's the players. Because they are not good players.

There is the common theme that the managers aren't good managers as well no?

 

[Simon Buttle]

I don't really think if you have a grasp on what Iwobi is good at that you ever put him wide right. Not against the league leaders. Not at Anfield. So yeah it is two games but the number of times you do that really should be zero.

My fear is that we've got another manager who looks at the team as being unable to play and doesn't even try. I guess Lampard tried but he was just a disaster so it didn't work either. Yeah sure it is two games but are Liverpool that good that we can't put anything resembling a plan together and just have to launch long and aimlessly until we're out of the game and they're taking the pressure off?

Look I just want to see some signs we're turning it around. Even a small thing like committing to Iwobi central and McNeil on the right would suggest we see where we need to go even if in time those aren't going to be the players who will take us there. If these last 16 games are just rigid defense and hoping to nick goals to win tight games we might stay up and we'll also have put off getting better at football for another 6 months. I'd just really like that part to stop.

I have an idea why that might be. Aside from Gray he gives the ball back to the opposition more than any other player in the squad, doing this in a wide area it's much easier to usher a player out for a throw in to break the play up and regroup. Do that in the middle of the pitch and it's potentially a whole different story.

 

[TheBigIguana]

But you did watch the Arsenal game no, and see him put in that great ball for Doucoure from the left? You did see him actually look like he knew what was doing and how to play the position, win us vital corners. You did see that he won us the corner on Monday for when we hit the post, by doing that same thing. You did see that his two goals for us this season came from when he was on the left flank? You have actually watched him play for us, on the right, and see that he hasn't created anything of note from that position and is actually everything you say he is on the left?

Iwobi is a better attacking midfielder but for the needs of the Arsenal game, which was to do a man-marking job on Zinchenko and then offer a threat of a player arriving late into the box, Doucoure was a better option. In other games that might not be the case.

But this is the thing, this isn't FIFA. You can't just set up one template and expect it to work against all sides.

If we play Maupay up top tomorrow then I'd like to see Iwobi central behind him so we can hopefully thread some passes through. But if it's Simms then frankly we need someone who's going to offer another attacking threat into the box and I think Doucoure is better than that.

When we're talking about winning corners as a positive we're talking about something that isn't working sadly.

McNeil spent his whole career on the left. He's bad at it. I'd like to give him more than 10 games on the right, a place you yourself admitted he profiles to maybe be ok at, before deciding he has to do the thing he's absolutely awful at. That's all.

Otherwise just shut him out now and sell him soon or make him a fullback. It's not happening as a left sided attacker.

 

[BlueToff]

There is the common theme that the managers aren't good managers as well no?

One of them has had two games, beat the league leaders and then lost an Anfield derby.

He's definitely a step up on the last two we've had. I don't know what more you're expecting in two weeks with no new players in? It's dead weird.

We'll see what Dyche manages to do. I don't care how we win right now, we just need six wins. Playing a better style will help that and help sustain it but we aren't in a luxurious position, because Dom's injury issues negatively impact the rest of the side and the shape we're able to play.

I think Bielsa is 100x the coach Dyche is, but I could easily have seen us losing about 4-0 in each of the games had he been hired, for example. It's been two weeks.

 

[paulf]

He was at the U21's tonight and looked well chuffed to be getting loadsa selfies..left half way through second half

 

[TheBigIguana]

One of them has had two games, beat the league leaders and then lost an Anfield derby.

He's definitely a step up on the last two we've had. I don't know what more you're expecting in two weeks with no new players in? It's dead weird.

We'll see what Dyche manages to do. I don't care how we win right now, we just need six wins. Playing a better style will help that and help sustain it but we aren't in a luxurious position, because Dom's injury issues negatively impact the rest of the side and the shape we're able to play.

I think Bielsa is 100x the coach Dyche is, but I could easily have seen us losing about 4-0 in each of the games had he been hired, for example. It's been two weeks.

I think I've said this already but to me it's been 10 seasons until Dyche shows me he's going to look to build on what he's done in the past. I don't need to wait two seasons to draw a conclusion if we're Burnley in blue shirts.