Sam Allardyce

[Big Fat Sam]

Please get rid as soon as we take 8 more points.

 

[bluestevon]

Stick with Allardyce in the summer and there'll be one hell of a glum fanbase who will be at the ready with pitchforks every time we lose a couple of games on the bounce.

A feller who's more interested in inflating his own minor achievements to cling on to an unlikely job is now beginning to take a shot or two at fans with every right to feel unimpressed by his BS hoofball. That story ends one way: in tears.

Time for that clueless spiv who's taken control of 49% of the club shares to do something right for once and hand this feller his cards in May. If he does that he just might take the first step toward rehabilitating his own image.

City and rs home games back to back will see him gone mate, not a prayer he survives two hammerings without a shot from us at goodison in back to back games, and we will get battered in both games I have zero doubt.

 

[bluestevon]

'We're nearly safe, so we can get the planning done for next season. We can't quite get that yet, but maybe we can start penciling one or two things in"

He's really milking his relegation bonus now.

A manager 2 points away from 7th and a European spot, who in every interview talks about relegation being the primary concern, wonder if Dyche and Puel who are both similarly placed are saying that?

It shows the nature of the bloke, and how he's trying to increase the worry amongst supporters as that's all that got him accepted from some initially was the fear of going down.

Long as he can say we are in a relegation scrap still he thinks it'll stop people really going after him etc

 

[bluestevon]

'We're nearly safe, so we can get the planning done for next season. We can't quite get that yet, but maybe we can start penciling one or two things in"

He's really milking his relegation bonus now.

A manager 2 points away from 7th and a European spot, who in every interview talks about relegation being the primary concern, wonder if Dyche and Puel who are both similarly placed are saying that?

It shows the nature of the bloke, and how he's trying to increase the worry amongst supporters as that's all that got him accepted from some initially was the fear of going down.

Long as he can say we are in a relegation scrap still he thinks it'll stop people really going after him etc

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Yeah then he fills the squad with dross, leaves the club in a mess, gets his early pay day, and the club is relegated within 2 seasons.

If your only barometer for success is coming 17th, then it shows you haven't the ability to achieve actual tangible success. It's easy to meet your targets if you set them low. If he had any ambition whatsoever he would be trying to shake off his relegation survivalist tag. Instead he spends his whole life trying to keep that reputation in tact. It's like spending your whole life going round telling others how great you are because you've never murdered anyone. Utterly bizarre mentality he has.

He generally brings in 2-3 players who are intrumental in keeping the team up. The following season the same squad easily achieve mid table obscurity without relegation worries (a miracle given the state of some of the Clubs/Squads he dropped into). Usually what happens then is the Fans and then the Club decide e's holding them back by giving them short term stability and that they should be in Europe fighting for a CL place. At this point they fire him and replace him with an exciting Manager who will play attacking football and bring them the Eurpean Cups they deserve simply for existing. The give this new manager more transfer money than they can afford and he valiantly leads them towards the Championship the year later because their Club over get ideas above their capabilities and their 'ambition' screws them.

The managers coming in after Sam always get more money, they always try to change the way the team plays, and they always get sacked within a season after emptying the bank account and leading them into the relegation places. Blilic might be the exception to that, as it took him slightly longer to bankrupt West Ham as they had been given all that extra free money via their new stadium.

 

[welshtoffee]

Please get rid as soon as we take 8 more points.

That is exactly what I want, but unfortunately, it will not happen. There are still fellow blues who want the guy to stay despite playing an inconsistent team against the top teams in the league which is set out to get beat and playing the worst football I can remember for many years.

 

[Azza]

A manager 2 points away from 7th and a European spot, who in every interview talks about relegation being the primary concern, wonder if Dyche and Puel who are both similarly placed are saying that?

It shows the nature of the bloke, and how he's trying to increase the worry amongst supporters as that's all that got him accepted from some initially was the fear of going down.

Long as he can say we are in a relegation scrap still he thinks it'll stop people really going after him etc

Yup he'll continue this narrative until it's mathetmatically possible not to go down I imagine.

Then it'll suddenly be, "What a great job I've done." or "It was tough but the staff worked hard when we came in to turn it around." etc etc

 

[Lord Buckethead]

A manager 2 points away from 7th and a European spot, who in every interview talks about relegation being the primary concern, wonder if Dyche and Puel who are both similarly placed are saying that?

It shows the nature of the bloke, and how he's trying to increase the worry amongst supporters as that's all that got him accepted from some initially was the fear of going down.

Long as he can say we are in a relegation scrap still he thinks it'll stop people really going after him etc

Fans that no matter how near we are point out 'we are not safe yet'...
You could argue that Dyche and Puel talking about Europe is just deluding their fans in a worse way.

At the end of the day we SHOULD finish 7th. Given our season and the fact the Players have down tools for three managers for over half of the time, that's not bad going.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

My only problem is his mindset where he sets out not to conceded in the first 15 mins whilst away from home.
It kills us every time as our 'Experienced World Class' defenders forget how to mark, tackle, head and defend anything that looks like a cross.

We are better off not relying on them at all and attacking like we do at home.

 

[NCLBlue]

Speaking about Tosun saying he will give him more minutes when we are safe.

FFS. Unless we absolutely tank it and other teams come up with the best form of their lives we are not going to be relegated. This bloke and constant talk of relegation to remind us Fireman Sam is the hero next door.

 

[Bud McBlokeski]

I think the moment we hit 40 points he will be shown the door as will Shakespeare, but that Sammy Lee will stay (which I don't mind so much as he is by all accounts a great coach - even if he drinks his own piss).

 

[EFC78]

Absolutely hate that he is still chatting relegation when we are within touching distance of Europe. He is shooting himself in the foot, if he just showed some ambition he would have a much greater chance of being accepted by Evertonians as his results have been fine other than the London drubbings, considering the mess we were in.
We have spent massive money and have loads of talented players compared to the teams around us, he could be building a feel good factor but all he is doing is alienating himself from the support.

I agree with you here and it certainly comes across as him doing it to still receive praise if we don't end up doing as well as we'd like from this position. Not really sure why he's being like that either as there are many in our fanbase who won't give him credit regardless so he may as well just say we're trying for 7th. If we finish in the top 10, he will have done better than expected anyway in my opinion.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Big sam must stay done very little wrong imo.

Followed the boards instructions to the letter so far - get us safe - next season he can plan for European qualification via league placing.

If he doesn’t get close to that then by all means review him.

At present he’s light years ahead of Martinez, Koeman and Unsworth in terms of the sequence of results that got them sacked.

The proposition that failures like Silva or even total unknowns like Fonseca (if he comes at all) would be an improvement is tantamount to negligence imo.

 

[MickA]

My thoughts are.....SA will be here next season if he has a decent finish to this season...

He will get the opportunity to progress Everton next season, depending on how it turns out next season will determine an extension of his contract.....

This all makes business & strategic sense whether you like him or not.....

Everton do need stability & an experienced manager to sort out the good,bad & the ugly & to sign in some quality players....

What would that mean though? Even with a positive spin?

You think Sam Allardyce can get a team into the top 6 of the PL in 2018/19? Not a chance.

Will we be playing decent football? History suggests no chance.

Will we have players more suited to his 'style' in the squad? If he's staying on then yes there's every chance. And this point alone renders any 'progress' redundant as then we're left with unsuitable players* that need to be moved on, pretty much exactly what's happened throughout the man's tenure at every club and one of the main reservations that has been raised against him.


*presuming we're not stupid enough to employ another footballing dinosaur.

 

[bluestevon]

Fans that no matter how near we are point out 'we are not safe yet'...
You could argue that Dyche and Puel talking about Europe is just deluding their fans in a worse way.

At the end of the day we SHOULD finish 7th. Given our season and the fact the Players have down tools for three managers for over half of the time, that's not bad going.

Simple thing is we where never really in a relegation fight, no team is after 10-15 games unless they are absolutely adrift at the bottom, much like no team is in a title race after 10-15 games unless they are running away with it like City have

As for deluding fans, a different spin on it, one team will finish 7th, you think the team that does is more likely to be one that has set that as the aim and is talking up it's chances, or the one that is more concerned with not finishing 18th and talks about being in a relegation battle all the time? Because for me the latter will absolutely down tools as soon as that 40 point mark is hit, much like West Brom have done every season without fail. The team that hasn't set that as their ultimate goal, may just continue to think there's stuff to play for still?

The major issue with this team is selecting the wrong players and formations, all managers have done that, and motivating them, which all failed, Koeman because intrinsically he was dislikeable and looked a beaten man, Unsworth because he never had the backing from board or experience to command respect, and Allardyce because he is a manager who does one thing, stops players losing 'too many' games that they go down, nothing more than that, he's a short term appointment at best, wish he'd accpet that and stop thinking he's more.