Sam Allardyce

[tim cahill]

I see no reason to keep Allardyce unless we definitely cannot attract another manager and the board feel they need another year to get the right person in. If he stays we are in for another season of turgid football, grinding out results against bottom half teams and winning nothing, or even trying to win anything. We will be in exactly be same position as we are now only a year down the line. If he goes and we get someone in, this time next year he will have started to develop the club. So , no matter what you thing of Allardyce as a manager he is not the long term solution, move him on and let the new man get a new era started.

One of the guys on the royal blue podcast made an interesting point the other day. If we’re getting a new director of football and a new CEO this summer then it might not be wise to get a new manager as well. Some stability could be better for the club long term.

 

[bol-uk]

It's weird, all our players are looking far more comfortable on the ball, Keane and morgs in particular are believing in themselves again.

It may not be popular or pretty but, all our players, except wayne, are playing better now than in the last 12 months+

 

[CahillsCornerFlag]

Sam likes to play a defensive game, his teams are set up not to score a lot but to concede less. Not every manager plays football like Guardiola, but then , not every manager can spend money like Guardiola.

I do not to be rid of Sam just for the sake of it, if he goes I want him to be replaced by a manager that fills me with optimism.
Fonseca and Silva fill me with worry , one has a questionable record in the premiership, the other is coming from a league that is not exactly highly regarded. He has no idea of what is waiting for him every week in the premiership.. We should not be a testing ground for young managers

I find it genuinely baffling that you’d rather a tried and tested bang average (and not to mention odious) manager rather than a manager with an unknown ceiling. If it went wrong, there is always the “allardyces” of this world to call on and put the fire out. Can’t stand and watch our neighbours playing scintillating stuff, almost in a champions league final, and just accept our lot as the 8th best team in England. Not for me.

 

[tim cahill]

With a squad that cost £365 mil I’d expect to beat Newcastle easily with more then 1 shot on target

The same squad was getting spanked 4-1 against a Southampton team that is going down. It’s like everyone is choosing to forget that we’re a lot better than we were.

 

[GwladysBlue]

It's weird, all our players are looking far more comfortable on the ball, Keane and morgs in particular are believing in themselves again.

It may not be popular or pretty but, all our players, except wayne, are playing better now than in the last 12 months+

About 11 teams in this league wouldn’t look out of place in the Championship. As soon as our players play anyone half decent, they look like an absolute joke.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You lost me right there,

I wish for better things and happier days at EFC.

And I will not be “careful” about wishing for them

What a a vacuous comment.

Careful what you wish for is one of the most condescending statements ever. Like we dont know whats best for ourselves. They know better.

 

[tim cahill]

About 11 teams in this league wouldn’t look out of place in the Championship. As soon as our players play anyone half decent, they look like an absolute joke.

Do you think that is all down to Allardyce?

 

[Khalekan]

I've no problem with the results he's produced and at the end of the day we all care about results over performances but we have a large array of quality in our squad which means we don't have to grind out every single game. The biggest annoyance I find under allardyce is that I actually count how many shots on target we have every single game. I can remember what shots they were after the game is done.

you see, “grinding out results” is fine when you see some tangible success or improvement arising from it.

Billy Bingham almost delivered us the Title doing just that in 1975.

Joe dug us out the mire when we were bottom of the table in 1994.

Moyes got us into the CL places with the help of six or seven 1-0 victories on the trot in the autumn of 2004.

Sam himself did it to banish relegation fears with the win at Barcodes and the RS and Chelsea games last December.

In short, grinding out results to keep you in touch at the top or to steer you away from the bottom is OK by me and I am sure most of us on here.

It is what happened after the Chelsea game that bothers me.

You don’t “grind out results” in order to advance your position from 13th to 8th.

Because that is just boring and it is tedious.

When Arsenal fans in the George Graham era sang “1-0 to the Arsenal” they were sitting top of the league and loving their team “grind” their way to the Title.

They would not hve been lauding the feat happen they were scrambling around in mid table.

 

[Barnfred 55]

The same squad was getting spanked 4-1 against a Southampton team that is going down. It’s like everyone is choosing to forget that we’re a lot better than we were.

The same squad that drew twice with Alan Pardews West Brom. Home and away, played off the park in both games. Onky difference was Albion didnt have their shooting boots on.

We can all be selective with our gamrs.

 

[toffeejack]

1 shot on target against Newcastle with a front 3 that cost 75 mil, maybe just maybe if we give Sam another 200 mil we might get 2 shots on target....

I hope he never gets the chance to manage v Newcastle again with us. We'd finish 7th if he was here next season,but that's not good enough. I had a massive problem with moyes because we could never progress under him, he wasn't good enough to do that and this is the same for me. The fact that so many top managers will be available this summer means there's no other option but to part ways. We need to look at the big picture and this summer is as good a chance as any to get a real good manager in to really make a statement.

We'll be fishing for scraps half way through next season otherwise and making another koeman level appointment. You look at someone like emery, would he really turn us down for sociedad? I highly doubt it.

 

[MrGrumpy]

The same squad was getting spanked 4-1 against a Southampton team that is going down. It’s like everyone is choosing to forget that we’re a lot better than we were.

In that game we didn’t have Genk or Walcott or Bolasie or Jags or Coleman or Bains, it was a freak result, we struggle every time we go to Southampton anyway

 

[GwladysBlue]

Do you think that is all down to Allardyce?

I’m not going to give Fat Sam credit for getting the 10th most expensive squad in World football to a level where we’re beating the likes of Huddersfield comfortably.

 

[maccavennie]

We will never ever accept Allardyce as our manager

We as in the fans? Or we as in the club?

I think some fans have accepted him and are happy to give him next season ( they may be in the minority but a minority there is )

The club proved they'll accept anything close to the bottom of the barrel by hiring him in the first place.

 

[toffeejack]

you see, “grinding out results” is fine when you see some tangible success or improvement arising from it.

Billy Bingham almost delivered us the Title doing just that in 1975.

Joe dug us out the mire when we were bottom of the table in 1994.

Moyes got us into the CL places with the help of six or seven 1-0 victories on the trot in the autumn of 2004.

Sam himself did it to banish relegation fears with the win at Barcodes and the RS and Chelsea games last December.

In short, grinding out results to keep you in touch at the top or to steer you away from the bottom is OK by me and I am sure most of us on here.

It is what happened after the Chelsea game that bothers me.

You don’t “grind out results” in order to advance your position from 13th to 8th.

Because that is just boring and it is tedious.

When Arsenal fans in the George Graham era sang “1-0 to the Arsenal” they were sitting top of the league and loving their team “grind” their way to the Title.

They would not hve been lauding the feat happen they were scrambling around in mid table.

Yeah exactly, we've been safe for months, we've had nothing to play for for months, the first time since he was at Bolton he could actually get some attractive football going, but he was still thinking a point at Swansea for example was another point away from relegation, we don't need negative thinking like that here.

 

[maccavennie]

I agree with you mate, and i can not stand the bloke, even just for how he is in interveiws I want him gone.

Im getting more and more worried he will be kept on.

If he is kept, then everyone must be turning us down.

Yes mate that would be a concern if managers were turning us down though I guess it depends on who. If it's the top end managers I wouldn't blame them because we've shown no signs since Martinez 's first season that we can put a sustained challenge on the big boys.

Hopefully a new DoF comes in, sweeps out the old and brings with him a new and forward thinking vision for the club. We are desperate for success as a fanbase and it would be nice if the board took it upon themselves to remember that.