Ronald Koeman discussion

[AaronTheBlue]

dave in turning something that should be a positive thread into a negative one shocker.

only evertonian i know that's gutted after we win because of his affection for a manager that we don't have any more.

 

[larrygobfiend]

It's not even about Everton anymore. It's the @davek show and he'd rather see Koeman fail for his own vindication on an Internet forum, than see Everton successful.

Weird.

 

[davek]

But Moyes got 12 years didn't he mate? He got a free pass for 6/7 years. It was only towards the end people got frustrated with him and a lot of this was down to his attitude.

Koeman has had more money, so expecting him to get 6 years is unrealistic as well. But he deserves an opportunity to acquire his team before he's judged doesn't he?

He's getting his time.

Look, here's the situation as I see it expectation wise:

7th this season = fair enough
7th next season = not good enough, but not sackable, just a good sign that after 4 windows and his own squad largely in place he can't get us where we want.
Any failure in a third season (if he's still here) to make an assault on a CL spot is grounds for dismissal.

Having seen what this feller has done elsewhere and what he's done here I think he's a steady Eddie who doesn't have that certain creative spark that squeezes out the necessary extra points to convert an also ran into a CL spot team.

 

[Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg]

Koeman publicly set his own target. Champions league football in 3/4 years. He's put that pressure on himself and I am grateful for that honesty.

 

[Doolstar70]

A lot of this depends on the mood of the fan base. Loosing at home every week playing turgid football whilst making terrible substitutions and wasting transfer money would be areas to avoid.
As would getting turned over repeatedly by Liverpool.
Playing football that gets wins and Goodson rocking is to be recommended.

 

[catcherintherye]

He's getting his time.

Look, here's the situation as I see it expectation wise:

7th this season = fair enough
7th next season = not good enough, but not sackable, just a good sign that after 4 windows and his own squad largely in place he can't get us where we want.
Any failure in a third season (if he's still here) to make an assault on a CL spot is grounds for dismissal.

Having seen what this feller has done elsewhere and what he's done here I think he's a steady Eddie who doesn't have that certain creative spark that squeezes out the necessary extra points to convert an also ran into a CL spot team.

I don't think anyone will argue with that mate. By year 3, if we continue with this spend we should be competing for the title.

 

[davek]

I agree David, we should improve every season, so if we get 7th this season, 6th must be the min next season and so on.

Let's see how that goes. Confident it will happen?

 

[jinkyali]

I don't think anyone will argue with that mate. By year 3, if we continue with this spend we should be competing for the title.

How so? Our spend is quite minimal in comparison to teams above?

 

[ianefc]

It's not even about Everton anymore. It's the @davek show and he'd rather see Koeman fail for his own vindication on an Internet forum, than see Everton successful.

Weird.

Very much this, not been on as much as normal this week, but the mood of the forum, considering our form is really disappointing. These should be the days when it's at it's best (especially as RS lost) yet its us needing to defend the manager. Crazy stuff.

 

[catcherintherye]

How so? Our spend is quite minimal in comparison to teams above?

Well I suppose I think we will spend another 25+ million this January. If we spend 50-100 million net per year over the next 2 years I would expect us to be competing to win the league.

 

[MACCA75]

You're not paying attention. He should have us here, minimum. He has us here. NEXT SEASON that will not be the minimum. Can't say it any plainer than that, tbh.

How come 7th last season wasn't 'minimum'?

 

[ToffeeTim]

Yes Ron Up the Toffs is right

 

[ianefc]

 

[blue to the bone]

Every time we win is a good day for the vast majority of our fans. You win your happy and on to the next game. If you lose your not happy. That's understandable
But when you win and still moan. Something ain't right

 

[davek]

It's not even about Everton anymore. It's the @davek show and he'd rather see Koeman fail for his own vindication on an Internet forum, than see Everton successful.

Weird.

That's just not true. How can it when I've said umpteen times that where we are is perfectly adequate for this season?

You're setting up a straw man.

What you actually don't want is a critique of a manager who, after playing some of the worst examples of hoofball seen at Goodison, richly deserves critiquing or the perfectly valid criticism that he's ended our season on January 7th this year.