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Indeed.
And while we're at it, let's pin the murder of Cock Robin on him as well
How long will you blame Martinez?
He's gone mate, he's was sacked for underperforming with the side available to him. End of story, really.
Now it's down to Koeman - he needs time, but he has to show something.
Not overlooking Martinez turned us into a crap side Toff, after 15 games (1 win in 10) though there are hardly any signs of us actually getting any better, and I know some of that is down to the players, but Koeman (I know he needs time) takes his fair wack of the blame as well.
he does - baffling decisions in term of the system etc and he deserves to be questioned for that
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
Not advocating Martinez but Yes he took over Moyes squad but he added his own attacking flavour so the team was a hybrid if you will. I don't see anything Koeman has done to stamp his name on the team and style of play. Such a weak argument, the man isn't performing to standard, that is all I'm judging him on.
This is the sad thing, Tony.
He doesn't need to change it round for his own sake.....he needs to turn it round for ours.
Before our collective sanity goes
In the mad world that is football management at this level, a few disastrous reigns at major clubs will not count against you in the future.
Look no further than Koeman himself.....sitting here on £6 million p.a. a few years after almost ruining Valencia
Nice work if you can get it.
Tony Hibbert's 3rd leg
Banned as requested
Sure I'll answer no probs.
If we are fighting relegation ie 15th or lower March time, then get rid.
If he hasn't improved on last year's league position it would be a very fine line indeed. 10th or better and he stays and gets the summer.
Going to stick my neck on the line and say I think we'll be fine. Won't be pretty, but possible a place in Europa.
Blue Cheese
Mental Patient, GOT Ward
But but but it was Roberto Sir.
It is like the way Osborne kept blaming Labour every time one of his cock eyed schemes to deal with the deficit ended in chaos
ianefc
Player Valuation: £70m
So are you saying this mess is now 100% on Koeman?
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
Yes. So far he has shown nothing to me to say that he will be able to progress us as a football team and attain European football in the future.
If that's still the case after a year, why persist? That's yet more wasted resources and time down the drain.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £70m
I think you've got to give him time. He's inherited a hugely deteriorating, unconfident and vastly overrated team. However, if this fella is picking up £6m a year (£115k a week), to manage this team, I expect to see SOME improvement from last season.
Some of us go home and away week in, week out, and will earn close to what he earns in a week, in 5 years. It's frustrating as hell to watch, as the reality is, if we've struggled to show any creativity or even enthusiasm on the pitch now, since the West Brom game, and it's hugely concerning.
Last season, the majority of fans, were hugely critical or Martinez's final 6 months was his inability to change it (his lack of plan B, if you like), and how the 4-5-1 was a nightmare, as teams would just double up on Lukaku, and isolate him. This season, we're lining up against a bang average Watford with Gueye, Barry and McCarthy, THREE holding midfielders. We witnessed the introduction of Valencia against United, change the game, and cause their defenders to panic, and allow us a way back into the game. So you can imagine how annoyed most of us were, when instead of starting two up top yesterday, we brought in an extra defensive minded player. Valencia, Holgate etc... must me scratching their heads at what they have to do to get a game?
I think I speak for most Evertonians that we like to see our team playing good football as well as picking up results, but if we're playing unpleasing football and collecting results, then who cares? We crave European football, and to be honest, with our financial clout, and so called stars (Lukaku, Barkley etc..), we really should be looking at 7th place as our expectation and anything greater, is a huge bonus.
I'm not writing Koeman off yet, but when he signed, my initial thought was he flopped at Valencia which was a big role, and this too, is of similar stature, I wonder if maybe isn't quite the right role for him? I guess we'll find out (Oh and are fans are bad div's for having a pop at him for his christmas tree ffs).
I think the frustration is building in the fans. We've been promised this fresh 'new start', where 'nothing will be the same', yet it's identically the same. Same frustrating football (except we hoof it far more now), and same end product. Our 'Huge' summer, saw us sign Bolasie, Williams and Gueye, and whilst they've all done a job, we're still hugely under resourced.
Give it time i guess!
Some of us go home and away week in, week out, and will earn close to what he earns in a week, in 5 years. It's frustrating as hell to watch, as the reality is, if we've struggled to show any creativity or even enthusiasm on the pitch now, since the West Brom game, and it's hugely concerning.
Last season, the majority of fans, were hugely critical or Martinez's final 6 months was his inability to change it (his lack of plan B, if you like), and how the 4-5-1 was a nightmare, as teams would just double up on Lukaku, and isolate him. This season, we're lining up against a bang average Watford with Gueye, Barry and McCarthy, THREE holding midfielders. We witnessed the introduction of Valencia against United, change the game, and cause their defenders to panic, and allow us a way back into the game. So you can imagine how annoyed most of us were, when instead of starting two up top yesterday, we brought in an extra defensive minded player. Valencia, Holgate etc... must me scratching their heads at what they have to do to get a game?
I think I speak for most Evertonians that we like to see our team playing good football as well as picking up results, but if we're playing unpleasing football and collecting results, then who cares? We crave European football, and to be honest, with our financial clout, and so called stars (Lukaku, Barkley etc..), we really should be looking at 7th place as our expectation and anything greater, is a huge bonus.
I'm not writing Koeman off yet, but when he signed, my initial thought was he flopped at Valencia which was a big role, and this too, is of similar stature, I wonder if maybe isn't quite the right role for him? I guess we'll find out (Oh and are fans are bad div's for having a pop at him for his christmas tree ffs).
I think the frustration is building in the fans. We've been promised this fresh 'new start', where 'nothing will be the same', yet it's identically the same. Same frustrating football (except we hoof it far more now), and same end product. Our 'Huge' summer, saw us sign Bolasie, Williams and Gueye, and whilst they've all done a job, we're still hugely under resourced.
Give it time i guess!
kenada_blue
Welcome to Barcelonaton FC
Im not. And as small time as it is, it was a response to playing "nice football" never got us anywhere.
For those bottom half finishes and horrible home record there was a flip side that we did get our highest ever points total, we did have 3 chances to get close to some silverware.
Finishing top 10 every year doesn't breed a successfu positivel side. Competing for trophies does.
Look at the RS. They could be absolutely bog standard, but they still get to cup semi finals, they still have a aura of winning about them.
Nice football was trying to get us out of a negative underdog status we still have. Now we've gone back to that.
Put is this way, if Martinez got us in the top 10 and had those cup runs, he'd still be in the job. If we finished 13th and won a cup, he'd be still in the job.
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