Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

[bizzaro]

If its ok, I would rather not trust a man that claimed Arsenal would implode, thats Arsenal, the team with 150m sitting in the bank.

Yeah because Arsenal have never not once struggled in the last 5 years over their internal issues.

#Moshiri

 

[Goat]

Who said that?

This bizzarro chap.

He said Arsenal would implode due to restraints brought on by Arsenal building the Emirates.

 

[bizzaro]

This bizzarro chap.

He said Arsenal would implode due to restraints brought on by Arsenal building the Emirates.

Didn't you say Villa would stay up this season?

Yeah Goat. I'm sure you did.

Having said that I think your misguided views on Roberto Martinez are well documented.

Speaking of Arsenal:

What happened to Besic against Arsenal?



It would help Everton if certain players actually turned up!

 

[Goat]

Glad to see you back tho Bizo mate.

Can you explain in simple words and bullet points why we should retain the current manager going in to next season.

This is an open question, if anybody who feels we should retain the manager can they list the reasons why please.

 

[FisherEFC]

I would counter and say to sack Martinez would be the most Villa thing we could do.

Managerial revolving door. No thanks!

I'm not a fan of revolving door management but that's down to the ownership, you would hope having 2 football men in charge (Moshiri and Kenwright) we would bring in someone with a good pedigree who can take us forward. Not hire a bloke who had an utterly terrible league form with eventual relegation on their record (but they won a cup like Alex mcleish achieved).

For me a manager who can have us up the table and still have us competitive in the cups is what we need. Moyes and Martinez are polar opposites of that spectrum and neither are good enough.

 

[bizzaro]

Glad to see you back tho Bizo mate.

Can you explain in simple words and bullet points why we should retain the current manager going in to next season.

This is an open question, if anybody who feels we should retain the manager can they list the reasons why please.

Already done.

@davek

I do say that we need to see the back of this tendency to ship soft goals.

That will change my judgement on him. This is what the manager needs to address as a high priority.

If certain players are not onboard they need to be shipped out.

Simple as that.

If I were Martinez I would be looking to address why we are shipping soft goals. Part of this was the combination of John 'take too many risks' Stones and Tim 'inconsistent' Howard.

This can be easily addressed.

The other is to look at what happened against Arsenal.


Mo "giving the ball away" Besic and inviting pressure and you saw McCarthy having a go at him. We need to get a central midfielder who can play through balls and play with the ball.

We also need more pace out wide. Without Mirallas and/or a fit Geri we look weak.

I would also look at the GK position for obvious reasons. We need another top quality keeper.


I will judge this manager at Christmas after the FA Cup and the summer and if he has learnt from this years mistakes. Particularly if we ship stupid goals then things will in my view need to change. Not before.

Martinez is still fairly young managerially speaking. He's not managed at Everton's level before. So I do not expect instant results if things go badly.

This summer he really needs to get into the issues.

 

[ianefc]

Not because of league position, that;s for sure. When I turned on Moyes (after 7 seasons supporting him, btw), it was because he completely failed to give any indication that he could win us a trophy and/or play attractive football consistently. I had no stick to beat him with about CL places. None. That was down to underinvestment and why BK got it in the neck so much...amongst other things. The 7th place trophy term was used to underline that it meant bugger all in and of itself, not because he fell short of CL football.

There's no inconsistency here in my line mate.

You liked Moyes for longer than 7 years.

And

The league was of a much higher standard at that point, this league constantly had 2 or 3 teams in the SF of the CL now we struggle to get 1 in the QF, yet our squad is better than it ever was and we are 12th. 12th is way below par for this squad, nobody expects CL not one person, it may suit you to say it so you can accuse us of setting him up for a fall, but the truth of the matter is we should be cemented in the top half, positions to you may not matter and myself can actually see your point to a degree as I can't stand the EL or competing in it, but and its a pretty big BUT finishing 6 or 7th means you probably win 15-18 games a season, now to me that's important because winning matches is what it's ALL about, even in a micro environment such as this, GOT is at its best when we win, no doubt about it, you writing off league positions is one thing and it's obvious to all why you do it (That's because without targets it's impossible to fail) but the majority of Evertonians care about us winning and a higher league position is a Bi-product of that.

We have the leagues top striker (more or less) and we are in the position we are in, that probably been said a lot of times, by even myself, but when you think about it, when does that ever happen.

Martinez has a factual record or make EPL teams progressively worse, in terms of league placing. I posted stats of wigan's defence pre-Martinez and during Martinez and they were damning, people will say ''yeah but, he had to sell his best players'' he hasn't had to do that here and baring an impressive final 8 league games our goals conceded tally will go the way of Wigan's. As in each season it gets higher.

 

[Goat]

Didn't you say Villa would stay up this season?

Yeah Goat. I'm sure you did.

Having said that I think your misguided views on Roberto Martinez are well documented.

Speaking of Arsenal:

What happened to Besic against Arsenal?



It would help Everton if certain players actually turned up!

I may have implied jokingly that Villa would stay up, its been quite clear since August that they are going down tho.

With regards Besic versus Arsenal, im not sure if you saw the game, but I did and not a single player comes away from that game with any credit, every single player on the pitch stank. I prefer to focus on peoples career over their entire period at the club and rather not focus on 1 game in 50 when they play badly.

 

[ianefc]

All we wanted under Moyes was better football and a cup. We didn't care about the "7th place trophy"

Now we are on course to win a cup... Yet we should sack the manager.

Yeah. Sure. Ok.

Oh stop it, you're taking an extreme positive that hasn't happened yet to mask the past 20 months of league form.

We're 90 minutes into a 270 minute cup run.

 

[Groucho]

The 'first season was don to Moyes' line. A season when he came in and COMPLETELY changed the way we played as a defensive unit.

It's a completely bogus argument.

Why not give the feller the credit for that season?

I said slightly mate. To imply he had no semi-lasting influence over what was his squad is also a bogus argument.

 

[bizzaro]

I may have implied jokingly that Villa would stay up, its been quite clear since August that they are going down tho.

With regards Besic versus Arsenal, im not sure if you saw the game, but I did and not a single player comes away from that game with any credit, every single player on the pitch stank. I prefer to focus on peoples career over their entire period at the club and rather not focus on 1 game in 50 when they play badly.

Having watched the game - Besic was a major reason for our inability to get into the game in the first half.

I distinctly remember McCarthy having a go at him for playing us into pressure.

Which is very sad as it was setup for Besic to show us what he can do.

I would also add. Martinez quickly hauled him off that game so it wasn't just me that saw it.


I would also add that our defensive issues are more than just one player (Besic). Therefore I'm sure you'll agree its appropriate to give the manager (Martinez) time to sort it out.

Where he can actually make signings.

 

[ianefc]

The 'first season was don to Moyes' line. A season when he came in and COMPLETELY changed the way we played as a defensive unit.

It's a completely bogus argument.

Why not give the feller the credit for that season?

Can you offer a reasoned response as to why the defence has gone the exact same way that his time at Wigan and getting worse? Is that a mere coincidence?

 

[Goat]

Having watched the game - Besic was a major reason for our inability to get into the game in the first half.

I distinctly remember McCarthy having a go at him for playing us into pressure.

Which is very sad as it was setup for Besic to show us what he can do.

I would also add. Martinez quickly hauled him off that game so it wasn't just me that saw it.


I would also add that our defensive issues are more than just one player (Besic). Therefore I'm sure you'll agree its appropriate to give the manager (Martinez) time to sort it out.

Where he can actually make signings.

22 players signed at a cost of over 100m.

3 defensive players signed in that period.

How long do we give him Damo? Shall we miss out on another 50m in prize money until we realise that the man is out of his depth and would be better managing in League One where his lack of tactical nous wont stand out as much.

The man has failed to finish in the top half of this league 6 times out of 7, hes not a Premiership Manager and hes not good enough to manage a club that aspires to finish in the top 4.

 

[roydo]

3 defensive players signed in that period.

I call 5. Ish.

 

[Goat]

I call 5. Ish.

Galloway, Mori, Foulds, Robles, Escape from.

I confess I forgot about Escape from and stupidly didnt count Robles as hes a keeper.

I stand corrected.