Roberto Martinez Discussion - Including Live Poll (Poll Reset 1st May)

Martinez in or out?

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If we lose next week then this season will look like a complete disaster

Bottom half in the league with this squad is unforgivable.

An FA Cup semi at Wembley would give it a semi respectable tint overall, but anyone who can defend our league performance this season is doing so with their own ego or complete delusion as their driver imo. It's been truly shocking, our home form is absolutely embarrassing.
 
My opinion is clownshoes is good as gone! You don`t invest heavily and leave a clown at the helm.

The structered buyout is exactly that, and replacing the manager is a formality really.

I think the important work is rubber stamping a move, or new stadia, I think this will be done quickly.

Its a new dawn for us and clown shoes will be off quietly at the end of the season. The new guy will be well funded, and in place early for the start of next season.

If Martinez went now and we had an interim man with this squad, you would realise just how poor he has been, as we would score goals and control the game. Chelsea will let us run ourselves silly for 70 minutes, possibly concede 1 or 2 and then the last 20 minutes attack us and pull our defence to pieces just like every other visiting team this season. Martinez is utterly predictable .......
 
The season isn't over mate: we have a chance to move up the table as well as down it, a decent chance of the former given a game in hand. As for questioning the development of the team's youngsters: you're having a laugh there. If there's one stick not advisable to use to beat Martinez with it's that one.

As a whole how can the season be described as anything other than a good/solid one when we competed well in all competitions? The two cups we've performed well enough and it could get better; the PL away from is more than respectable - it's very good in fact. The home PL form is woeful, no question. But that's about as easy a thing to remedy as anything can be to turn your home ground into a weapon rather than a hindrance to your ambitions.

I've said it before: people cant see the wood for the trees. Others outside the club see us in a very different light. And you know what the industry specialists who the new feller will be listening to will tell him: "they're not far off. Put a few quid in there and he'll buy well and you have a shot at doing something".

I'm here every so often talking people down off the ledge after a reversal of that nature. It's a periodic convulsion that goes nowhere and debilitates the fan base. It's a sad refection really on us, because we don't have the right to be demanding PL football with the peanuts spent out. Martinez has raised expectations with the type of players he's brought in and how he can have them playing and scoring from open play. That's what's happened here: raised expectations dashed on the rocks of home performances.

And that is just about the strength of it for anyone reasonable enough to bother to argue the facts rather than some emotive kneejerk bollocks.

I'm sorry mate, but it is easy to beat Martinez with the "Development stick". If any of our younger players are better, it is not because of Martinez, it is despite him. Barkley, after almost three full seasons, should be much further along in his development than he is. Stones has gone backward, Deulofeu is slightly better, but lets face it - he was in Spain for a year. Unfortunately, he has been getting steadily worse since he has been back - to the point that he can't even get a game off the bench. Also - Our defence are woeful compared to what they were when he took over. There was a reason that Alcaraz was thoroughly awful - he'd been playing under Martinez at Wigan. Funes Mori has been decent so far, but he will decline, just like Stones, Baines, Coleman and Jagielka.

I really want Martinez to succeed, but it isn't going to happen. Up until Christmas, he was starting the same players, bar one, that were here on 31 August 2013:-

Howard
Baines
Funes Mori
Stones
Coleman
Barry
McCarthy
Barkley
Deulofeu
Kone
Lukaku

And let's face it - the only reason Funes Mori was getting a game, was because Jagielka was injured. How is this taking us forward, and how can this be a transition? He has had almost three seasons to get these players to play as a team, and it isn't happening. Even yesterday, only Lennon and Funes Mori were the only players that started the game, that weren't here in August 2013.

We came 5th that first season. It doesn't work now. Why does he not get that?
 
I reckon we are being sucked into thinking this is the best squad we've ever had in the Premier League years and its just not true. Our defenders are ordinary. I can't see why it needs a manager to explain to how to head the ball away from crosses. It's not like we are being tactically outmanoevered, we are being beaten by basic football. A cross into our box cuases havoc almost every time. Surely centre halves who have spent their whole career defending crosses do not need a manager to tell them how to do iot. They are just not doing the jobs they are being picked for..
 

B/ Martinez and The Mush were settling spending for the summer just over a week ago mate. I'm going to hazard a guess that he's on board with the chairman and manager.

I forget you have all that inside knowledge of the club. Were you involved in the discussions too?
 
I reckon we are being sucked into thinking this is the best squad we've ever had in the Premier League years and its just not true. Our defenders are ordinary. I can't see why it needs a manager to explain to how to head the ball away from crosses. It's not like we are being tactically outmanoevered, we are being beaten by basic football. A cross into our box cuases havoc almost every time. Surely centre halves who have spent their whole career defending crosses do not need a manager to tell them how to do iot. They are just not doing the jobs they are being picked for..

A) We have a back line of, for the most, international defenders mate.

B) Basic football dazzles us because The BOBS has no other way to play other than the 'pass it 'til it's dead' ethos. And it's SO easy for teams to come to GP, sit back, wait for the collapse and then in turn dazzle us because he's consistently failed to adapt his style...ergo the basic stuff works a dream.

C) They ARE doing the job they are told to do....that's a part of the prob...he wants everything 'played' from the back (see STONES's 'Johanning' etc).

He's not learning. It's that simple.

And it's scary mate.

What is it....4 home wins in ten odd months? Blimey...
 
A/ SFs and QFs are sniffed at by you are they? That'll be because we've won all those trophies in the past 20 years I expect.

B/ Martinez and The Mush were settling spending for the summer just over a week ago mate. I'm going to hazard a guess that he's on board with the chairman and manager.

C/ I argue my case as forcefully and as fairly and without insult as I can. Why not try it?

But you said we are doing well in "all competitions".

We are currently 12 in the league. That isn't doing well.

Admit you are wrong.
 

But you said we are doing well in "all competitions".

We are currently 12 in the league. That isn't doing well.

Admit you are wrong.
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Thing is @davek, there's been issues with our defence for yonks. Everyone knows about them. Everyone- in all probability, even Villa's administrative tea-lady. There's one person alone who has been responsible for finding a solution (and there are many). I don't think Martinez has even attempted to do anything about it.

Couched in terms he introduced us to during his first season:
Managing a football team with arrogance.

This has led to him not realising he's made an error and developing as a manager should. Like Moyes after six years or so, but your Bobby hasn't developed since he got his feet under the table.
Fine, but not at our club.
 
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Apologies if I have not seen it but have you ever declared what your expectations are with regards to the league?

Your right in that the cup performance this season is decent. But aside from those where do you think we should've finishing in the league?

I had us down for top 7 at worst at the start of the year. Around Xmas I thought we could definitely hit that target.

Now I think we will be lucky to finish top half.
What were your expectations at the start of the year?
 

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