Rapid-Transit Rail Guarantees Success for EFC, LFC and Arena

[Neiler]

I would say EFC can easily do with a 60-65,000 - expansion built into the design. The funding? How long is a piece of string. What it takes - it has to be worked out. An Arsenal fan 5 years would have said "what pay back £18m a year!!!". In few months time the whole loan will be paid back.



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I would have to agree, i think we have capacity for a 60.000 stadium, i wouldnt mind a 55.000 seat with a plan for expansion to be honest. I think we are all feeling our way in the dark here a little, basicly it will come down to financial viability. I would be inclined to borrow for a new ground as its vital to the future of the club and wheather we remain a competitive club or drop in our traditional standing.

When speaking about the difference in London clubs, i think its a well established fact that they charge significantly more for there games, i imagine this to be true of corporate facilites as well and have a demographic of 20 mill to draw upon, also existing transport links.

Im thinking with a 55.000 thousand seater stadium in Kirkby the projected mark up on our existing home was 5 mill per annum. With that in mind would a different site even in the boundires yeild as increase on that projection?? 5 mill for 10 years - 50 mill, i would think that would be a quater or a third of the cost thus looking at a repayment period of 30 years. May be worthwhile if it improves the clubs infrastructure. But if that profit goes into paying the borrowed debt, then there would be little yeild to improve the team etc. Unless we find an enabler and thats exactly where we are.

I know you dont but i think the board is a factor here or rather the shareholders, i think the majority of the baord are looking for a quick turn around on there shareholding and the amount of debt in an asking price will of course be a facto for any perspective buyerr. I cant see them sanctioning a loan of the magnitude required.

 

[johnnydawg68]

You missed it. The secret of Arsenal's success was the rapid-transit serving the large stadium, and they want to go to 70,000, not fickle City types.

There is enough fans with the money around Gtr Liverpool and beyond to fill a large stadium - if they can get there easy and in comfort.

Generalizations that Liverpool is destitute and London is rolling in it is totally untrue and unreflective.

See that's where you're wrong. The secret to Arsenal's success is they have 60,000 or more people that want to go see them play every other Saturday AND THEY COULD PROVE IT. In order to borrow that kind of money in THIS economic climate, you'd better have a business plan that is bulletproof. You have to PROVE to financial institutions that they will get their money back. Why do you think TESCO was such a big part of the Kirkby scheme? Because they were willing to PAY to help the project along. Do you really think the EFC board is so stupid that they could be getting a loan tomorrow to build a state of the art 65,000 seater with a business plan that shows we could fill it, put the club in the black, AND pay back that kind of loan - but just simply ignoring it? Are you seriously that naive to the think that the only missing piece in this is the re-opening of the Outer Loop line and finding a spot along there to build a stadium? You see this is where you start to lose credibility with me. You are so single-minded with your agenda that you exclude all rational discussion that doesn't align with your goal - the expansion of rapid transit in Liverpool.

 

[chicoazul]

 

[johnnydawg68]

Oh and Liverpool IS a poor city compared to London. How you can argue that because there are some wealthy areas in and about, that there's not much difference? There's a BIG difference.

 

[Inner-city]

Oh and Liverpool IS a poor city compared to London. How you can argue that because there are some wealthy areas in and about, that there's not much difference? There's a BIG difference.

You are will-waving. London is massive and a very wealthy place. However, Liverpool still has enough wealth to support a large football club and its stadium. Liverpool is not groveling.

 

[Inner-city]

Don't want to get into the trains / stadiums thing (no real idea what it's about / low tedium threshold), but can say that if you are ssuggesting that the profiles of Everton and Arsenal fans are similar, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. Wildly inaccurate. If your scheme has any merit (and I have absolutlely no expertise so won't comment) I hope there aren't any more own goals of that sort.

I said Gtr Liverpool and surrounds, has enough wealth to support a large stadium.

 

[Inner-city]

Im thinking with a 55.000 thousand seater stadium in Kirkby the projected mark up on our existing home was 5 mill per annum.

I was no fan of Kirkby because of that.

I know you dont but i think the board is a factor here or rather the shareholders, i think the majority of the baord are looking for a quick turn around on there shareholding and the amount of debt in an asking price will of course be a facto for any perspective buyerr. I cant see them sanctioning a loan of the magnitude required.

I can see them doing it and pulling out when a success.

 

[Neiler]

I was no fan of Kirkby because of that.



I can see them doing it and pulling out when a success.

How do you think a similar stadium though would make more then 5 mill mate - simple answer is to charge more i know but that could be tricky when your trying to put an extra 10.000 bums on seats!

I think they want a quicker turn around then mate, i believe its a case of cat and mouse in the board room with tens of millions at stake, in essence someone at our club could by a majority stake based on buying two of three shareholdings.

Ill put it this way if we build a new stadium, and say Sheik money bags comes in and say buys Wodds and Bills stake, do you think Earl would want to leave the club with amassive new stadium and a billionaire about to pump money into it. Like i say cat and mouse and the answer to the age old question of why Everton have bever been taken over.

 

[johnnydawg68]

You are will-waving. London is massive and a very wealthy place. However, Liverpool still has enough wealth to support a large football club and its stadium. Liverpool is not groveling.

Yes but there are TWO clubs in Liverpool and we all know one of them gets preferential treatment and it ain't us.

 

[Inner-city]

See that's where you're wrong. The secret to Arsenal's success is they have 60,000 or more people that want to go see them play every other Saturday AND THEY COULD PROVE IT.

They under proved it.

Prior to moving they were a similar sized club to EFC.

In order to borrow that kind of money in THIS economic climate, you'd better have a business plan that is bulletproof. You have to PROVE to financial institutions that they will get their money back.

AS PL is booming and not touched in the CC then that is easy.

Why do you think TESCO was such a big part of the Kirkby scheme? Because they were willing to PAY to help the project along.

EFC could have gone it alone if they did what Arsenal did.

Do you really think the EFC board is so stupid that they could be getting a loan tomorrow to build a state of the art 65,000 seater with a business plan that shows we could fill it, put the club in the black, AND pay back that kind of loan - but just simply ignoring it?

They could be getting a loan tomorrow with he right business plan.

Are you seriously that naive to the think that the only missing piece in this is the re-opening of the Outer Loop line and finding a spot along there to build a stadium?

It is naive to think it is not. Of course with high throughput station - Arsenal proved that. Look at the Merseyrail map and the Northern rail map. Not wanting to be on that is foolish.

You do not understand rapid-transit and what it can do - I gave the Arsenal's example. I never made it up.

 

[chicoazul]

 

[Inner-city]

Yes but there are TWO clubs in Liverpool and we all know one of them gets preferential treatment and it ain't us.

They do not get preferential treatment in allocation of fans.

 

[Inner-city]

How do you think a similar stadium though would make more then 5 mill mate - simple answer is to charge more i know but that could be tricky when your trying to put an extra 10.000 bums on seats!

I think they want a quicker turn around then mate, i believe its a case of cat and mouse in the board room with tens of millions at stake, in essence someone at our club could by a majority stake based on buying two of three shareholdings.

Ill put it this way if we build a new stadium, and say Sheik money bags comes in and say buys Wodds and Bills stake, do you think Earl would want to leave the club with amassive new stadium and a billionaire about to pump money into it. Like i say cat and mouse and the answer to the age old question of why Everton have bever been taken over.

You charge what the market will bare and get them to stay behind using the facilities. Corporate facilities are lucrative. GP has a tent. Kirkby was woeful in many respects.

Major shareholders can do what they like. Sell or stay and take the dividends.

John Moores took over EFC.

 

[johnnydawg68]

They under proved it.

Prior to moving they were a similar sized club to EFC.



AS PL is booming and not touched in the CC then that is easy.



EFC could have gone it alone if they did what Arsenal did.



They could be getting a loan tomorrow with he right business plan.



It is naive to think it is not. Of course with high throughput station - Arsenal proved that. Look at the Merseyrail map and the Northern rail map. Not wanting to be on that is foolish.

You do not understand rapid-transit and what it can do - I gave the Arsenal's example. I never made it up.

Talking to you is like talking to a machine. You simply won't even acknowledge anything that doesn't fit into your argument.

 

[chicoazul]