Homepage Article Rafael Benitez Appointed Everton Manager

[Giraffe_Baker]

Well you could if it were true like...

• Took treble-winning Inter to 6th, lost twice to Milan and was fired.
• Takes a second-place Napoli (78 points) to 5th (63 points) and out of the Champions League in his 2 seasons in charge. Sarri came in and took them back to second the season after.
• Garbage again at Real Madrid and doesn't last much longer than half-a-season, 4-0 loss at home in the Classico and fielded an ineligible player in the Copa del Rey to get them kicked out too.
• Gets the same points total as Steve Bruce at Newcastle playing dirge football throughout.
• Goes to China and embarrasses himself going without a home win.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

• Took treble-winning Inter to 6th, lost twice to Milan and was fired.
• Takes a second-place Napoli (78 points) to 5th (63 points) and out of the Champions League in his 2 seasons in charge. Sarri came in and took them back to second the season after.
• Garbage again at Real Madrid and doesn't last much longer than half-a-season, 4-0 loss at home in the Classico and fielded an ineligible player in the Copa del Rey to get them kicked out too.
• Gets the same points total as Steve Bruce at Newcastle playing dirge football throughout.
• Goes to China and embarrasses himself going without a home win.

You could use that same measurement with Moyes though after us:

1. Dour at Utd and sacked
2. Dour in Spain and sacked
3. Relegated with Sunderland

But has just gone to WHU, recruited well, stablised them and has them qualified for the Europa League breaking into the top 6.

Some managers just click at certain clubs - Im not saying he'll win us a trophy or anything but I certainly think he'll coach the players better than Ancelotti did, have us more fit/disciplined on the pitch and will have us in the mix for Europe IF backed in the window.

The reality is if he went tomorrow you're looking at Dunc or someone like Howe out of work taking over which is worse than Benitez hence why it does nothing productive to make his job harder than it already is.

 

[Dixie1sixty]

• Took treble-winning Inter to 6th, lost twice to Milan and was fired.
• Takes a second-place Napoli (78 points) to 5th (63 points) and out of the Champions League in his 2 seasons in charge. Sarri came in and took them back to second the season after.
• Garbage again at Real Madrid and doesn't last much longer than half-a-season, 4-0 loss at home in the Classico and fielded an ineligible player in the Copa del Rey to get them kicked out too.
• Gets the same points total as Steve Bruce at Newcastle playing dirge football throughout.
• Goes to China and embarrasses himself going without a home win.

I mean I wasn't a fan of getting Benítez at all but you're overlooking the huge managerial successes he's had because you don't like him.

A bullet point "factual" list littered with subjective content.

Carry on though.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

You could use that same measurement with Moyes though after us:

1. Dour at Utd and sacked
2. Dour in Spain and sacked
3. Relegated with Sunderland

But has just gone to WHU, recruited well, stablised them and has them qualified for the Europa League breaking into the top 6.

Recruited well you say, you might not have noticed but Benitez has just told our only truly world class player to leave the club and seems happy to sell any of the other performing players any other Club would want to buy. We are going nowhere but backwards, and an alarming rate

Some managers just click at certain clubs - Im not saying he'll win us a trophy or anything but I certainly think he'll coach the players better than Ancelotti did, have us more fit/disciplined on the pitch and will have us in the mix for Europe IF backed in the window.

By no measure is he a better coach than Ancelotti. You are embarrassing yourself now. Do you think Real Madrid would want Bentiez back? they could have had him on a free.

 

[Giraffe_Baker]

I mean I wasn't a fan of getting Benítez at all but you're overlooking the huge managerial successes he's had because you don't like him.

A bullet point "factual" list littered with subjective content.

Carry on though.

Littered being the opinion his Newcastle side played crap football (they did) and the opinion not winning a home game was embarrassing (it is).

 

[Vic Vinegar]

imagine wanting moshiri to go jesus

He’s an utter buffoon that has seen the club lurch from one disaster to another.

 

[andy4efc]

I mean I wasn't a fan of getting Benítez at all but you're overlooking the huge managerial successes he's had because you don't like him.

A bullet point "factual" list littered with subjective content.

Carry on though.

Benitez has done nothing of note for 7 years mate. I agree that list is subjective but if you look at his full reocrd. He has been well and truly out of top level for years and years.

Winning the Championship with Newcastle with one of hte best squads is not a major trophy.

He will get a fair crack of the whip with me but ultimately I wouldn't expect much. His Newcastle team did no better than Bruce's.

 

[JLW]

• Took treble-winning Inter to 6th, lost twice to Milan and was fired.
• Takes a second-place Napoli (78 points) to 5th (63 points) and out of the Champions League in his 2 seasons in charge. Sarri came in and took them back to second the season after.
• Garbage again at Real Madrid and doesn't last much longer than half-a-season, 4-0 loss at home in the Classico and fielded an ineligible player in the Copa del Rey to get them kicked out too.
• Gets the same points total as Steve Bruce at Newcastle playing dirge football throughout.
• Goes to China and embarrasses himself going without a home win.

Good post mate!

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Recruited well you say, you might not have noticed but Benitez has just told our only truly world class player to leave the club and seems happy to sell any of the other performing players any other Club would want to buy. We are going nowhere but backwards, and an alarming rate



By no measure is he a better coach than Ancelotti. You are embarrassing yourself now. Do you think Real Madrid would want Bentiez back? they could have had him on a free.

Ancelotti did not coach this team whatsoever we couldn't string two passes together and looked like strangers on the pitch. Im pretty sure the Athletic posted an article a few weeks back where Ancelotti reportedly said to the players in the dressing room "just go and play".

Pre season we've looked better despite missing some of our better players and not being match fit and Benitez is much more hands on in the training sessions and doesn't just leave it to Ferguson/the assistants.

I would wager a lot of money that we play better football this season that what we did under everyone's hero...

 

[Dixie1sixty]

Littered being the opinion his Newcastle side played crap football (they did) and the opinion not winning a home game was embarrassing (it is).

Yes you've also conveniently missed out that in the last 10 years he's:

1. Won two trophies with Inter Milan
2. Won the Europa league with Chelsea
3. Won two trophies with Napoli
4. Brought a very poor Newcastle team up in one attempt and finished mid table with largely the same squad the following season.

If that's "doing nothing" then sign me up!!

As I said, I am no fan of RB but I can't stand this narrative that he's a really bad manager when all evidence points to the contrary. It's just nonsense. It's okay to just say you don't like him because of his Liverpool connections, but don't make things up to try to bring some sort of footballing justification for your disapproval.

 

[Harryflashman]

I remember watching Freddie Flintoff speak once and he said don't worry about getting a good team spirit, worry about winning, as a dressing room that's losing will never have a good team spirit anyway. He'd never played in a good dressing room when you lose, it on;y really comes about when you win.

It's the same here. If Benitez wins more games than we did last season, people will get behind him, if we lose more than last season people will criticise him. It's really that simple. As a club searching for someone who unites the fans is pointless, you need to focus on getting someone who can be successful and everything else looks after itself.

I think the bloke is a bit of a whopper, but I have worked with plenty of people like that before, and dare I say it I'm sure plenty of people think I am a whopper too (with some justification). But life isn't about getting on with everyone, it's about being successful. Whatever my personal view of him is irrelevant, he is here to win, and if he does I will give him credit. I suppose I'm not so vain that if someone does a good job I can't park my personal feelings for them.

On the flip side, I really liked Martinez on a personal level. He seemed a lovely, charming, kind man who really got the club. But his record wasn't good enough in the end.

Steve Archibald made a comment years ago which was something like
“Team spirit is an illusion captured in the aftermath of victory “

 

[Giraffe_Baker]

Yes you've also conveniently missed out that in the last 10 years he's:

1. Won two trophies with Inter Milan
2. Won the Europa league with Chelsea
3. Won two trophies with Napoli
4. Brought a very poor Newcastle team up in one attempt and finished mid table with largely the same squad the following season.

If that's "doing nothing" then sign me up!!

As I said, I am no fan of RB but I can't stand this narrative that he's a really bad manager when all evidence points to the contrary. It's just nonsense. It's okay to just say you don't like him because of his Liverpool connections, but don't make things up to try to bring some sort of footballing justification for your disapproval.

Honestly couldn't care about his time at Liverpool. He was right to call us a small club when we never won one away game at a 'top 6' club under Moyes.

He's just an uninspiring appointment who'll circle the drain for a couple of years like Koeman and Silva. We had the chance to change tact after Ancelotti left us high and dry and we've just followed the same strategy of trying to replicate Malaga circa 2011.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yes you've also conveniently missed out that in the last 10 years he's:

1. Won two trophies with Inter Milan
2. Won the Europa league with Chelsea
3. Won two trophies with Napoli
4. Brought a very poor Newcastle team up in one attempt and finished mid table with largely the same squad the following season.

If that's "doing nothing" then sign me up!!

As I said, I am no fan of RB but I can't stand this narrative that he's a really bad manager when all evidence points to the contrary. It's just nonsense. It's okay to just say you don't like him because of his Liverpool connections, but don't make things up to try to bring some sort of footballing justification for your disapproval.

What did he win with Inter Milan? I seem to recall he took over the champions and dominant team, and left them in about 8th place.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Ancelotti did not coach this team whatsoever we couldn't string two passes together and looked like strangers on the pitch. Im pretty sure the Athletic posted an article a few weeks back where Ancelotti reportedly said to the players in the dressing room "just go and play".

Yeah, and how many managers will tell their teams to "Just go out and enjoy yourselves"? pretty much every one.
Of course he sent them out with tactics and a formation, of course they were drilled. What an imbecilic accusation.

The only manager we've had where that was remotely true was Martinez, and even then he got so much else right. Everton's biggest mistake was not getting a specialised defensive coach in under him to organise and drill the defence better. With a more stable defence, that team could have been challenging for things.

Pre season we've looked better despite missing some of our better players and not being match fit and Benitez is much more hands on in the training sessions and doesn't just leave it to Ferguson/the assistants.

Preseasons are meaningless. They are about fitness. Carlo had a terrible preseason last year and we won our first 8 matches when things kicked off for real.

I would wager you a lot of money we play better football this season that what we did under everyone's hero...

Who defines what "better football" is? We were still in the hunt for Europe a few weeks away from the end of last season when we barely played anything approaching our first choice midfield all season. We will be nowhere near this a season with the downgrades to our squad and Manager.
We will struggle to finish in the top ten under this clown regardless of what he says in his press conferences FACHT!

 

[Dixie1sixty]

Honestly couldn't care about his time at Liverpool. He was right to call us a small club when we never won one away game at a 'top 6' club under Moyes.

He's just an uninspiring appointment who'll circle the drain for a couple of years like Koeman and Silva. We had the chance to change tact after Ancelotti left us high and dry and we've just followed the same strategy of trying to replicate Malaga circa 2011.

That's fair enough.

But I know that for many Blues the main reason for their disapproval lies with the fact he's ex Liverpool and made those remarks.