We will be fine this summer
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davek
Player Valuation: £150m
They vote for it because it means they're less pressured by fans to pay out on players and wages. They're seen by owners as businesses at the end of the day.
The Binman
Player Valuation: £20m
We will have to use this to invest wisely. Tho I trust Moyes’s involvement better than most. He can spot a player that will improve the group. First 11 desperately needs overhaul.
bluenorthwarrior
Player Valuation: £8m
I think the problem here is that for much of the last few years every game has either been in the balance right to the end (i.e. level or one goal in it) or we have been getting a hiding.
Neither lends itself to giving a youngster a carefree 5 or 10 minutes unfortunately, but hopefully we might see a bit of this going forwards.
canuckblue
Player Valuation: £50m
Ah, yes, the Schutzstaffel of the Premier League.As an addendum to this, Times reporting that PL are insisting that they have the right to access club mobile phones and computers and the right to enter club premises without much notice
Premier League’s profitability and sustainability rules to remain next season
Several clubs, including Manchester United, Newcastle United and Aston Villa, have all criticised PSR.www.nytimes.com
Dymak
Player Valuation: £40m
We have a chunky piece of land adjacent to Goodison Road that we could sell, unless it’s been used as security in one of the new loans obtained by TFG. It would be naive of us not to ‘sell’ this land and then lease it to whoever is going to use it, if there is a possibility of doing so.
TFG’s ownership of Roma should help facilitate a convenient ‘swap’ deal if we really are in PSR difficulty.
I remain unconvinced they will get the votes to make the change.
MisterJ
Player Valuation: £35m
Corrected this for you
If PSR means we are allowed losses of £105 million over 3 years, does anyone know what our posted losses (in PSR terms) were in the last 2 years?
I would assume losses would be minimal as we had to be very tight with spending, so would that give us a bit of freedom to spend a bit more this summer to take us up to the £105 threshhold.
I would assume losses would be minimal as we had to be very tight with spending, so would that give us a bit of freedom to spend a bit more this summer to take us up to the £105 threshhold.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Ok been crunching some numbers.
Trying to figure out what are current PSR situation is, numbers aren't out for the last period and can only speculate on available info about this. But here goes.
21/22 loss of 3.9m
22/23 loss of 67.2m
23/24 we were within PSR as per the league statement so a maximum loss of 33.3m so let's say we 'just about made it inside'
24/25 the 3.9m figure dropped off the books meaning to comply which by all accounts we know we have done hence restricted spending in January to ensure - means the loss here if the above is correct can be at most 3.9m (matching the figure that dropped off the PSR accounting period for 21/22.
So ignoring the reports we had 5-10m PSR room and let's say we just about scraped under again.
Then the figures we head into this summer with on the books are AT THE VERY MOST these.
23/24 - loss of 33.3m
24/25 - loss of 3.9m
So going into next assesment period the losses for 25/26 are going to be allowed to reach 67.2m, now factor in say additional income streams of 18m for match day revenue, 10m stadium sponsorship deal and a ballpark figure of say another 8 million from all other commercial deals. Assuming a final league placement figure higher than last season of say - 6m on top.
Additional revenue would see an increase of 44m on top of the allowed loss of an additional 67.2. amortisation drops off this season I believe is very low though around 3.8m I think.
So 44+3.8+67.2 equals 115m in total PSR room (or capacity to put that amount on the books without breaking regs) this coming season and staying within compliance.
Needless to say that's an insane amount allowing pretty much unlimited spending.
So now we see why we are hearing sound bites coming about about conservative and strategic spending. We have the room but to spend it would we a Moshiri like gamble on reaching CL level inside a season or two.
Whatever we spend this summer goes into the psr books for the next three cycles, the season after this we see a substantial drop again off on psr of roughly 33.4m but after that we have two very very lean years of psr figures which will drop off.
I'd say TFG are way more likely to not stick a huge PSR loss on the books straight up - far more likely to try to keep it at the 35m loss per season mark as that becomes a sustainable figure allowing a long term rebuild. Additional revenue stream will go on paying down the long term debt and being partially absorbed with increased staff costs etc.
What does 35m translate too? Pretty much around 175m or so net spend, but they key to that would be it's very very sustainable over a period of investment and would likely see the clubs debts shrinking and us comfortably inside PSR.
A sustainable spend this summer would be far more likely under the 'conservative' approach to look at the following years numbers and ensuring you don't go past those - but TFG have huge capacity to invest this summer we could comfortably go past 200m spend without straining ourselves or restricting us over the coming years
Trying to figure out what are current PSR situation is, numbers aren't out for the last period and can only speculate on available info about this. But here goes.
21/22 loss of 3.9m
22/23 loss of 67.2m
23/24 we were within PSR as per the league statement so a maximum loss of 33.3m so let's say we 'just about made it inside'
24/25 the 3.9m figure dropped off the books meaning to comply which by all accounts we know we have done hence restricted spending in January to ensure - means the loss here if the above is correct can be at most 3.9m (matching the figure that dropped off the PSR accounting period for 21/22.
So ignoring the reports we had 5-10m PSR room and let's say we just about scraped under again.
Then the figures we head into this summer with on the books are AT THE VERY MOST these.
23/24 - loss of 33.3m
24/25 - loss of 3.9m
So going into next assesment period the losses for 25/26 are going to be allowed to reach 67.2m, now factor in say additional income streams of 18m for match day revenue, 10m stadium sponsorship deal and a ballpark figure of say another 8 million from all other commercial deals. Assuming a final league placement figure higher than last season of say - 6m on top.
Additional revenue would see an increase of 44m on top of the allowed loss of an additional 67.2. amortisation drops off this season I believe is very low though around 3.8m I think.
So 44+3.8+67.2 equals 115m in total PSR room (or capacity to put that amount on the books without breaking regs) this coming season and staying within compliance.
Needless to say that's an insane amount allowing pretty much unlimited spending.
So now we see why we are hearing sound bites coming about about conservative and strategic spending. We have the room but to spend it would we a Moshiri like gamble on reaching CL level inside a season or two.
Whatever we spend this summer goes into the psr books for the next three cycles, the season after this we see a substantial drop again off on psr of roughly 33.4m but after that we have two very very lean years of psr figures which will drop off.
I'd say TFG are way more likely to not stick a huge PSR loss on the books straight up - far more likely to try to keep it at the 35m loss per season mark as that becomes a sustainable figure allowing a long term rebuild. Additional revenue stream will go on paying down the long term debt and being partially absorbed with increased staff costs etc.
What does 35m translate too? Pretty much around 175m or so net spend, but they key to that would be it's very very sustainable over a period of investment and would likely see the clubs debts shrinking and us comfortably inside PSR.
A sustainable spend this summer would be far more likely under the 'conservative' approach to look at the following years numbers and ensuring you don't go past those - but TFG have huge capacity to invest this summer we could comfortably go past 200m spend without straining ourselves or restricting us over the coming years
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bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Literally was typing out a wall of text as you asked mate
hallamblue
Player Valuation: £50m
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It's a squad limit not a limit on an individual wage. A system like this already operates in Spain which is subject to EU law so it will be fine.
kiss the crest
Player Valuation: £35m
in the presser Moyes said we have 1 more bill to pay then we should be OK, to my understanding we will have to sell an asset before July 1st otherwise we are in trouble again.
He also mentioned about Branthwaite anyone who wants him will have to bring a bag of cash, is this 2+2 = we can only build for next season when Branthwaite is sold?
He also mentioned about Branthwaite anyone who wants him will have to bring a bag of cash, is this 2+2 = we can only build for next season when Branthwaite is sold?
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