Couldnt agree more. Theres the international gap now so lets get Gibson fit and Felli recharged and then bring on the Barcodes.
And for all those diluting our win at Villa, they took a point off them today up at St James's today
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Couldnt agree more. Theres the international gap now so lets get Gibson fit and Felli recharged and then bring on the Barcodes.
And for all those diluting our win at Villa, they took a point off them today up at St James's today
SheedyBracewellReidSteven
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Like a certain LFC maybe? I was out today so my daughter was sending me updates on the Arsenal score. I asked for the final score, and she texted "no change Arsenal won 2-0. Watching the Paralympics blind football now.". My reply "Sure you're still not watching Liverpool????
Can't miss an open goal like that!
Having had a bit more time to think about it, Moyes putting Neville in midfield was probably the wrong thing to do. I say probably only because we don't know yet just how match fit Mirallas is. He said himself recently that he's not ready so maybe 70 mins was a bit beyond him at that point. Either way, when we look back, Neville was simply not the man to do the job, especially against WBA. Whether that solely cost us the match is another point entirely.
Many have said that the idea of Gibson meaning so much to the team is worrying. I don't think, had Baines, Felli and Pienaar turned up at all, his absence would have seemed to hurt us as much as it did.
As for Moyes' post match comments, I was disappointed that, on the face of it, he'd be so demoralised after one bad performance. However, I'd like to think the comments were out of frustration and to be fair, if we'd not gone for attacking subs, perhaps the centre of midfield wouldn't have been so exposed and we'd have got a result more like what we did last time we played there, because at the end of the day, when our creative players aren't being creative, all we're going to do is hand possession back to them in the final third and be punished on the break while struggling to keep possession. That's exactly what happened. Going more attacking when you've not got the quality, is asking for trouble, see Holloway.
As for what the comments mean for the future, I think if we're just being really unlucky and battering teams, he's hardly going to take the foot off the gas until we score. Bringing on attacking players didn't work any more than bringing Neville on. Our top players were gash and unfortunately we don't have a bench full of world beaters to call upon.
Many have said that the idea of Gibson meaning so much to the team is worrying. I don't think, had Baines, Felli and Pienaar turned up at all, his absence would have seemed to hurt us as much as it did.
As for Moyes' post match comments, I was disappointed that, on the face of it, he'd be so demoralised after one bad performance. However, I'd like to think the comments were out of frustration and to be fair, if we'd not gone for attacking subs, perhaps the centre of midfield wouldn't have been so exposed and we'd have got a result more like what we did last time we played there, because at the end of the day, when our creative players aren't being creative, all we're going to do is hand possession back to them in the final third and be punished on the break while struggling to keep possession. That's exactly what happened. Going more attacking when you've not got the quality, is asking for trouble, see Holloway.
As for what the comments mean for the future, I think if we're just being really unlucky and battering teams, he's hardly going to take the foot off the gas until we score. Bringing on attacking players didn't work any more than bringing Neville on. Our top players were gash and unfortunately we don't have a bench full of world beaters to call upon.
evertorial
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I hate that feeling of losing. Since the start of the season I have been buzzing about Everton and that feeling lasted all the way until Shane Long scored. I must have watched the Man Utd and Villa highlights about 10 times each on sky+ but as soon as we lose a game i feel like deleting them.
I'm not sure why the range of emotions between win and defeat are so massive but I really really hate losing. I'm trying to stay positive though, I think it was the fact our unbeaten run had gone which made it more disappointing. I loved the fact we were unbeaten in 11 premier league games which is a very difficult thing to do. There was genuine hype about Everton from fans of other teams for the first time in a long long time and it was a great feeling. But maybe we are better off without the hype.
I'm not sure why the range of emotions between win and defeat are so massive but I really really hate losing. I'm trying to stay positive though, I think it was the fact our unbeaten run had gone which made it more disappointing. I loved the fact we were unbeaten in 11 premier league games which is a very difficult thing to do. There was genuine hype about Everton from fans of other teams for the first time in a long long time and it was a great feeling. But maybe we are better off without the hype.
Ihaters
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5th in the league works for me so far, one poor result after an 11 game unbeaten run is also okay with me as long as we get back on the winning run again straight away and we continue playing a lot of passing football/direct ball mixes..
Thought the two teams were fairly even we were far better at the start, they were better come the middle. They took their chances, we didn't. Simple as that imo.
Thought the two teams were fairly even we were far better at the start, they were better come the middle. They took their chances, we didn't. Simple as that imo.
Christiffa25
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We are gonna have bad games and we are gonna loose games it's inevitable. Otherwise we'd be champions! As it goes Fellaini missed a sitter and the rest is history. Them are the margins in this league. We played badly against a well drilled home side who will have many a other scalps on their home turf this season and even playing badly the result could easily have been different.
Beat Newcastle under the lights next and were on the up again.
Also think in 5 games time when the likes of Naismith mirallas and ofoe are all up to speed we ourselves will be a stronger unit than we are now!
Beat Newcastle under the lights next and were on the up again.
Also think in 5 games time when the likes of Naismith mirallas and ofoe are all up to speed we ourselves will be a stronger unit than we are now!
A bad day at the office for the players & DM - so much was wrong with that performance in all aspects -the passing game disapeared - the injury to Gibson & the negative sub etc we will bounce back we have a squad now so lets use it!
West Brom are no mugs and are better than us, full credit to them and Clarke for getting his tactics spot on.
We don't have a right to win every game but the main concern for me would be how much worse we are when Gibson's not on the pitch. We need to work on that.
Six from nine with three potential tough games is a good start, we're in fifth place and we have to build on it.
We don't have a right to win every game but the main concern for me would be how much worse we are when Gibson's not on the pitch. We need to work on that.
Six from nine with three potential tough games is a good start, we're in fifth place and we have to build on it.
RFUS
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We're in 6th technically but the league table at this point isn't worth looking at.
I think with Darron it was more who we replaced him with and how we reacted. The defence didn't have someone to pass to as comfortably with Neville there and perhaps hoofed it more. Which didn't work as their CBs are massive. Also -- Toccy pointed this out I think -- there were plenty of times were Neville was on the ball approaching their half and he just didn't have the vision, confidence or passing range to do anything.
Gibson can at least be positive and pick a pass. It was a horrible substitution Moyes made and I think from that point the game shifted a bit, although we were truly awful at dealing with the counters... again though the same sub affected that as Hibbert didn't look fit and Odemwingie pantsed him for the opener.
Easy with hindsight mate. I'd have probably now preferred something like Miralles pushed in behind Jelavic and Fellaini pushed back into midfield but at the time it was logically enough to put Neville into the middle and maximise Fellaini against two imposing centre halves.
I think we've been a little unfair on West Brom. They won the game rather than us lose it.
RFUS
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Just don't think Fellaini is an ACM mate. I think he's better deeper. United is a different kettle of fish, as was Villa's young (and sh*t) back line. Two physically imposing and equally tall CBs (with the aid of a whistle-happy ref) neutralised him completely. What was especially disappointing is the way he just moaned whilst play went on. His work rate wasn't Felli-like at all.
Hindsight is great but he conscientiously picked a half fit Hibbert over Coleman, or bringing someone else into midfield. Moyes knew that Hibbert wasn't fully fit as he won't go into a match without knowing how physically ready players are. It's very worrying that he went for Hibbert knowing this -- fuel to the fire that he favours his old (boring) guard perhaps more than he should.
But I gave them credit. They outfought us and Clarke outsmarted Moyes. They didn't give us the space or the time on the ball to pass and they neutralised the aerial threat completely. They were of course aided by a team-wide off day but that wasn't a coincidence -- they made us play badly as much as we did ourselves.
They looked dangerous on the wings so I could see the logic with putting Hibbert on instead of Coleman. Defensively Coleman is still very naive as highlighted by Orient's left winger giving him a hard time three days before. I'm desperate for a different option at right back as much as the next man but Hibbert is the better option against a team who pose any sort of threat.
Agreed on Fellaini's best position being in the middle of the park like but against West Brom he's been in form in that position and there is some logic in playing him there, as the usually excellent Executioners Bong lid hinted at in his preview.
There's a trend for over the top stropping and witch hunting every time we get beat which if we're continually getting beat is understandable but third game in this time was disappointing to see on the forum on the weekend.
Agreed on Fellaini's best position being in the middle of the park like but against West Brom he's been in form in that position and there is some logic in playing him there, as the usually excellent Executioners Bong lid hinted at in his preview.
There's a trend for over the top stropping and witch hunting every time we get beat which if we're continually getting beat is understandable but third game in this time was disappointing to see on the forum on the weekend.
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