Oh so fickle and glum after defeat

[when i score we riot]

I think Hibbert was one of our best performers yesterday. Neville was a nightmare. He'd play a ball forward and immediately receive it back. He'd play to his other option and the same thing would happen. Ridiculous, it's like nobody wanted the ball at their feet if it was a nasty nevilleball, ewww!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The game turned on Fellaini's miss, he should have scored & then we'd probably be sat here lauding a decent away win.

He didn't & they almost immediately scored on the break.

It's a game of fine margins lads, it happens.

We weren't the best yesterday, but we take it on the chin & move on. 6 out of 9 (or 2 points per game) is top 4 form.

As for Moyes post match comments, I disagree with davek, as he said we were struggling to break WBA down, as they were well organised & we didn't show enough guille in the final 3rd. He was suggesting that instead of throwing bodies forwards, he might have been better served trying to draw them out, thus breaking their shape & looking to hit them on the break.

 

[zed]

I just hope DM sees from that game that Phill Neville is not a midfielder he is a 35 year old player who should only be on the bench - thats what cost us -we had no ball winner in midfield - The Ref was a homer - It was a scrappy game, but WBA wanted it more - end off!

if there was any such species as a homer referee, how come you never see one a goodison.

 

[Blue for you]

I think the problem we seem to have at the moment IMO is being over reliant on Gibson,this record of his of being unbeaten in League games is not just coincidence,the minute he goes off or doesn't play it affects the confidence and shape of the team. Neville is not the answer. I'm hoping this Ofoe fella is as good as he's being touted,but my major concern is wether Moyes will have the balls to play him ahead of Neville,and i think we all know the answer to that question!
Early days yet...but Moyes needs to sort this out sooner rather than later.

you have it spot on there moyes won't play him ahead of Neville face it as long as Neville is in the squad he plays as does Ossie
what we have to see is Mirallas in the side most weeks not on the bench with ossie and neville ahead of him.

just watch the cup fnal again chelsea a few weeks ago again and the 3 hibbo,ossie,Neville were poor and nearly 4 seasons after they are still getting in the side something wrong.

 

[zed]

is it too much for us to ask that we turn up. i cant stand neville but to single him out would be to ignore the howlers played by baines and fellaini- the big fella shouldve dropped back when gibson went off, mirallas wouldve had a stormer against those dick-head defenders. moyles needs to see the writing on the wall earlier in games, we were a train wreck from the off

 

[BigBlueConk]

Also, I totally get the do not change a winning team philosophy but yesterday, it was surely a case of horses for courses as many of our players were not at the races.
Apologies for the metaphor abuse.

 

[RFUS]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being angered by that toothless display yesterday. It's healthy that fans think that we should go to WBA and pick up at least a point to keep the run going. The acceptance of the loss and the nature of it by others is more worrying. There's something holding this team back. If there's any sort of expectancy placed on them they tend to fold alarmingly. Concentrating your thoughts on why that is would be a more fruitful input than lashing out at people who want us to account for ourselves in every game we play and not just 2 out of three games.

Moyes words post match by the way are cause for concern: he's saying he should have been less adventurous in putting Mirallas on, and that suggests to me he's going to rein us in again as an attacking force in the coming games. He draws absolutely the wrong conclusion from these defeats every single time.

This, a million times this.

Whenever we have awful spells of form and then get a good result loads of people go crazy and fap over Moyes. That is absolutely no different to reacting terribly to a terrible result amidst good form.

At the end of the day it wasn't the result that bothered me, it was the worrying and familiar issues that popped up. Moyes making a negative sub, favouring his not so golden oldies over everyone else, even if they were not fit, us not being able to break down a team that sat back and defended as a unit, him not learning anything constructive from defeat. And so on. That is what got to me, not dropping 3 points. I'm happy with 6 out of 9 points, but I'm worried about the reason we don't now have 7 or 9.

Some people are painfully short-sighted. There aren't two compartmentalised camps of Moyes is God and MOYES OUT. It's far more complex than that.

 

[harry]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being angered by that toothless display yesterday. It's healthy that fans think that we should go to WBA and pick up at least a point to keep the run going. The acceptance of the loss and the nature of it by others is more worrying. There's something holding this team back. If there's any sort of expectancy placed on them they tend to fold alarmingly. Concentrating your thoughts on why that is would be a more fruitful input than lashing out at people who want us to account for ourselves in every game we play and not just 2 out of three games.


Moyes words post match by the way are cause for concern: he's saying he should have been less adventurous in putting Mirallas on, and that suggests to me he's going to rein us in again as an attacking force in the coming games. He draws absolutely the wrong conclusion from these defeats every single time.

Amen! a man who speaks sense.

 

[davek]

The game turned on Fellaini's miss, he should have scored & then we'd probably be sat here lauding a decent away win.

He didn't & they almost immediately scored on the break.

It's a game of fine margins lads, it happens.

We weren't the best yesterday, but we take it on the chin & move on. 6 out of 9 (or 2 points per game) is top 4 form.

As for Moyes post match comments, I disagree with davek, as he said we were struggling to break WBA down, as they were well organised & we didn't show enough guille in the final 3rd. He was suggesting that instead of throwing bodies forwards, he might have been better served trying to draw them out, thus breaking their shape & looking to hit them on the break.

Dont think so mate. He says in his interview that he brought Mirallas on hoping to "open the game up" and that turned out to be a mistake and he should have stuck with the system that had a tighter shape. But, as others have pointed out, the substitution carved out a gilt-edged opportunity for Fellaini which wasn't taken. If that goes in it's a different perspective on the substitution we'd have today, I'd guess.

As I say, it's a concern he draws the wrong conclusion like this.

 

[RFUS]

Dont think so mate. He says in his interview that he brought Mirallas on hoping to "open the game up" and that turned out to be a mistake and he should have stuck with the system that had a tighter shape. But, as others have pointed out, the substitution carved out a gilt-edged opportunity for Fellaini which wasn't taken. If that goes in it's a different perspective on the substitution we'd have today, I'd guess.

As I say, it's a concern he draws the wrong conclusion like this.

His main post-match musing was whether or not he should have played for a 0-0 draw.

Anyone who spins that into anything positive isn't thinking objectively.

 

[manxtoffee]

is it too much for us to ask that we turn up. i cant stand neville but to single him out would be to ignore the howlers played by baines and fellaini- the big fella shouldve dropped back when gibson went off, mirallas wouldve had a stormer against those dick-head defenders. moyles needs to see the writing on the wall earlier in games, we were a train wreck from the off

Good point like, as most had a stinker, but I was just highlighting one of the areas we're or Moyes is consistently overlooking, hence my post.

 

[harry]

to have a go at neville is wrong, he doesn't pick himself.

 

[davek]

His main post-match musing was whether or not he should have played for a 0-0 draw.

Anyone who spins that into anything positive isn't thinking objectively.

TBH, there's an argument that not only was his first substitution a negative one, but that his second one, Mirallas for Naismith, was pretty much like-for-like and not injecting any other dimension. I mean, it's not like he went all out with two up front and Fellaini still playing high up the pitch. I think Mirallas is a superior player to Naismith, but essentially it was just freshening the personnel up rather than a major tactical switch.

These games against opposition like yesterday's: you have to be bold. Fence with them a bit and probe, but if there's no joy after 45 minutes then you throw the kitchen sink at them. To come away and think that the second substitution was a daring throw of the dice would be laughable if it wasn't so frustrating.

 

[zed]

Good point like, as most had a stinker, but I was just highlighting one of the areas we're or Moyes is consistently overlooking, hence my post.

you mean `the neville problem`? he has been better lately than for many a moon but ferchrissakes he shouldnt be near the first/2nd/reserves teams at EFC. he was inconspicuous in his gash-ness yesterday only coz loads of the other lads were kak.

 

[manxtoffee]

to have a go at neville is wrong, he doesn't pick himself.

Sorry harry but your living in a dreamland if think Neville is the second best solution to filling in the hole Gibbo left. We had other and better options. Just sayin like.