NFL 2022 Season

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yeah, but this isn't an unlucky season, except maybe concerning injuries, it's just a bad team season; good teams generate their own luck, and we don't see anything of that sort with this Saints team.
You need to sort out the QB situation the 3 you have Hill, Dalton and Winston, are just not good enough. Your defensive seems pretty good to hold the 49ers to 13 points with all the weapon they have on offence is some going, on your offence Kamara and Olave ( who looks a real good player) are your only threat, if you can get more options on offence you have the makings of a good team.
 
Great receivers can hide an average QB. A great QB can make average receivers shine (or can handle massive injuries at that position). Same but offensive line. Same when you consider losing good DBs vs DL talent. The only position the Saints seem to be ok is at LB, but only because they play nickel so much (which only stresses the bad DB situation more). A team can easily hide 1 or 2 weaknesses, this team has at least 6. As I see them:

1. No talent at QB
2. Insufficient DB depth/didn't properly replace losses in offseason
3. Not enough DL depth/talent
4. OL not built right/not replacing Armstead
5. WR injuries
6. New head coach
7. No NFL TEs on roster

maybe add to that:

8. Loomis so frequently aggressive and trading up causes a talent drain over a long period of time

To clarify, lost Marcus Williams to FA, traded Ceedy Deuce for a 5th !!!, and Malcolm Jenkins retired. Adding Marcus Mayes was good and Honey Badger is probably a fair swap for Jenkins (although very different players) but you can't drain talent and expect to be ok, especially trading CJ when you play nickel primarily.
 
You definitely said chiefs had the hardest schedule in history which would even be laughable if you had said it before the season started never mind now
it actually was the hardest start to a schedule in history before the season started - no team before had to play 8 teams that had winning records in the first 8 games.
 
the only point I would accept there is Burrow is a better mover than I gave him credit for. I called him immobile and he clearly isnt so I stand corrected.

As for the rest, you have made stuff up there - I never said Mahomes was the most successful qb in history, I said he was the best. You are so totally focussed on rings and total wins and total yards that you ignore the fact that his overall skill set is like nothing we have ever seen before.
Yet again, ignoring everything that proves you wrong, and wriggling like crazy to try to suggest you said something different than you actually did.

I haven't made ANYTHING up there. Your posts are in this thread for all to see. The best thing is you can't edit them, so contradicting yourself now is a fool's errand.

I'm not ignoring his Mahomes' skill set. I'm countering your suggestion that his skillset makes him the best QB ever. One can praise the skillset (and rightly so) without descending into giddy hyperbole and claiming it amounts to more than it really does. How can someone be the best if their achievements are dwarfed by those of others? The skillset isn't even unique - you're acting like there's never been a QB who could run effectively before Mahomes got drafted.

Is Mahomes already a better runner than Brady and/or Montana? Yes, emphatically. At their best, Brady was a mediocre athlete (in NFL terms) and Montana was above average. Mahomes is miles better than that on a bad day!

Is Mahomes already a better passer than Brady and/or Montana? Nope. Although Montana is retired and Brady is in decline. Mahomes has time to improve, so that MIGHT change.

Is Mahomes already a better game manager than Brady and/or Montana? Nope. Same remarks as per passing.

Does Mahomes already have a postseason record to match Brady and/or Montana ? PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA not even close. BUT let's see what happens over the next ten years. If he wins three or four more rings then will legitimately have grounds to be regarded as better than Montana. But he'll need more than that to equal Brady.

So therefore there is no logical, rational way to label Mahomes as the best ever. It's simply too early in his career.

When you see pundits and analysts saying "Mahomes might be the best QB we've ever seen" they are pointing to his skillset and saying he has most of the tools necessary to overtake Brady and Montana OVER TIME. You find me a single respectable NFL coach, GM analyst or pundit who categorically states that Mahomes is ALREADY better than Brady or Montana - go ahead. I'll wait.

But you'll ignore all those points and refer instead to regular season passer rating, ignoring as you do so that Mahomes gets to pad his stats against the Raiders, the Chargers and the Broncos twice a season and waving away any losses as someone else's fault or sheer fluke.
 
Great receivers can hide an average QB. A great QB can make average receivers shine (or can handle massive injuries at that position). Same but offensive line. Same when you consider losing good DBs vs DL talent. The only position the Saints seem to be ok is at LB, but only because they play nickel so much (which only stresses the bad DB situation more). A team can easily hide 1 or 2 weaknesses, this team has at least 6. As I see them:

1. No talent at QB
2. Insufficient DB depth/didn't properly replace losses in offseason
3. Not enough DL depth/talent

4. OL not built right/not replacing Armstead
5. WR injuries
6. New head coach
7. No NFL TEs on roster

maybe add to that:

8. Loomis so frequently aggressive and trading up causes a talent drain over a long period of time
With the rules of the game as they are currently, no team that simultaneously experiences the points you list at 2,3 and 4 can succeed.

Doesn't matter how good your QB is if your OL is garbage.
Doesn't matter how good your offense is if your D can't stop your opponents from scoring.

Saints are in a rebuild phase, and it's not going to be pretty on the field until they at least fix the OL and DL.
 
it actually was the hardest start to a schedule in history before the season started - no team before had to play 8 teams that had winning records in the first 8 games.
At least five of those teams DIDN'T have winning records when you played them.

Their records in the season before don't accurately indicate how good they are THIS year - look at the Rams FFS.
 
His coach is soaking up a lot of the credit because Tua was pretty mediocre before this season and the Dolphins were eager to trade him away
I mean the coach and receivers deserve a lot of credit but that is also always true. Mahomes has Reid and Kelce plus a solid amount of other talent, Allen has McDermott who is no slouch plus Diggs and company, Hurts has two top end receivers and a well designed offense. But for Tua he gets no credit.

And when I say what he's doing we're talking the best guy in basically every efficiency stat and without a loss in a game he's not gotten hurt halfway through. A serious double standard imo.
 
I mean the coach and receivers deserve a lot of credit but that is also always true. Mahomes has Reid and Kelce plus a solid amount of other talent, Allen has McDermott who is no slouch plus Diggs and company, Hurts has two top end receivers and a well designed offense. But for Tua he gets no credit.

He should be getting more credit, I was saying what I think is going on in this situation.

Miami feels a lot like the Eagles to me. Making a lot of hay against a terrible schedule and I'm not sure they can run the playoff gauntlet.
 
He should be getting more credit, I was saying what I think is going on in this situation.

Miami feels a lot like the Eagles to me. Making a lot of hay against a terrible schedule and I'm not sure they can run the playoff gauntlet.
I don't think so either but because their defense is not good.

That said they've beaten the Bills and Ravens already.
 
His coach is soaking up a lot of the credit because Tua was pretty mediocre before this season and the Dolphins were eager to trade him away
I had no idea about this!

There has been a swathe of massively-hyped QBs drafted in the last five / six years, and the NFL can sometimes be guilty of over-emphasizng the QB position to the point that many fans get swept away in it. Plus the basic structure of fantasy football establishes a bias on the importance of QBs - they generate more points than any other position, whereas O-linemen (for instance) are completely ignored.
In the environment described above, it's no surprise that there is less patience shown for the development of QBs, especially the highly-drafted ones. Tua hasn't really done an awful lot prior to this season, so a portion of the fanbase can take that as some kind of bizarre evidence that he will forever be awful, and then take a VERY long time to come round to the fact that he might be improving on a schedule that is normal, and only made to seem abnormal by the warped lens through which football can be viewed.

Tagovailoa has been red-hot this season though. If he takes Miami to an AFC Championship game then, win or lose, he can be proud of the season he's had. He is showing signs of having all the tools necessary to be considered elite, but needs to deliver it consistently over a prolonged period. Same for Lawrence, Burrow, Fields and a bunch of other young QBs.
 
I had no idea about this!

There has been a swathe of massively-hyped QBs drafted in the last five / six years, and the NFL can sometimes be guilty of over-emphasizng the QB position to the point that many fans get swept away in it. Plus the basic structure of fantasy football establishes a bias on the importance of QBs - they generate more points than any other position, whereas O-linemen (for instance) are completely ignored.
In the environment described above, it's no surprise that there is less patience shown for the development of QBs, especially the highly-drafted ones. Tua hasn't really done an awful lot prior to this season, so a portion of the fanbase can take that as some kind of bizarre evidence that he will forever be awful, and then take a VERY long time to come round to the fact that he might be improving on a schedule that is normal, and only made to seem abnormal by the warped lens through which football can be viewed.

Tagovailoa has been red-hot this season though. If he takes Miami to an AFC Championship game then, win or lose, he can be proud of the season he's had. He is showing signs of having all the tools necessary to be considered elite, but needs to deliver it consistently over a prolonged period. Same for Lawrence, Burrow, Fields and a bunch of other young QBs.
They wanted to trade him before they hired the new coach. Then he said from the jump he wanted Tua so that was that. He seems to have known what he was doing.

I will say for all the praise Flores got in Miami, some of it deserved, jerking around his QB wasn't exactly the best coaching you'll see. McDaniel fixing it (with an assist from Hill) has made them a contender impressively fast.
 
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