NFL 2022 Season

[Prevenger17]

I just believe the other people in the ring matter a lot too.

So do I. And Tom, more than any other quarterback, understood this too. His leadership, willingness to take a financial hit to get the right roster around him where every other qb takes the money, his calm head in the face of sometimes historical adversity, his elevation of average talent, his appreciation of the greater talent he worked with, his research and the groundwork he did before playing opponents, his ability to remain healthy and hungry for 20 years.

You were right when you said a QB can only influence so much, but Tom optimised his corner of the game in a way no other quarterback ever has. He did it with all his work on and off the field to make the teams around him better, and he constantly put himself in a position to capitalise when his defence made big plays. You think him winning 7 Superbowls was just an incidental quirk of the teams he played for, but there's a good reason he was the constant in all those great teams when so many other players came and went. He mastered every aspect of being a successful, winning quarterback on and off the field, winning an unprecedented amount of Lombardis in the process. That's why he's the greatest without being the most accurate passer or throwing the tightest spiral


And he did it for 20 effing years

 

[TheBigIguana]

So do I. And Tom, more than any other quarterback, understood this too. His leadership, willingness to make take a financial hit to get the right roster around him where every other qb takes the money, his calm head in the face of sometimes historical adversity, his elevation of average talent, his appreciation of the greater talent he worked with, his research and the groundwork he did before playing opponents, his ability to remain healthy and hungry for 20 years.

You were right when you said a QB can only influence so much, but Tom optimised his corner of the game in a way no other quarterback ever has. He did it with all his work on and off the field to make the teams around him better, and he constantly put himself in a position to capitalise when his defence made big plays. You think him winning 7 Superbowls was just an incidental quirk of the teams he played for, but there's a good reason he was the constant in all those great teams when so many other players came and went. He mastered every aspect of being a successful, winning quarterback on and off the field, winning an unprecedented amount of Lombardis in the process. That's why he's the greatest without being the most accurate passer or throwing the tightest spiral

I could maybe buy this is he didn't win at least a couple of SBs before he was actually even a good QB. To do this mythology you have to ignore the first decade of his career where his best years ended in disappoting losses and performances from him while his less good years got over the line. It's basically saying Tom made the other guys play well and I prefer to give credit to the guys that played well.

Also you just have to erase Bill Belichick.

 

[mightymoyes]

It could happen. You always need a little luck on your side.

Brady being in a situation that gave him a chance at it year after year helped a lot. And yes he was part of the consistency, but having a complete organization that allowed him to pick up wins when he played bad was a luxury almost no other QB has ever had for as long as he had it. He then booked it for a different complete team as soon as that luxury was gone in NE.

and won it again which to my mind confirms his greatness. someone as me, me, me as rodgers couldnt do it.

 

[TheBigIguana]

and won it again which to my mind confirms his greatness. someone as me, me, me as rodgers couldnt do it.

Again though he leaned on the defense to get them through a game. Rodgers never ever had that luxury.

This isn't just a Brady thing btw. Joe Burrow isn't better than Josh Allen because of playoff wins for example. You can make the argument other ways, but if you just want to point at playoff wins I think that's silly.

Brady is just the most glaring example of this philosophy.

 

[mightymoyes]

Again though he leaned on the defense to get them through a game. Rodgers never ever had that luxury.

This isn't just a Brady thing btw. Joe Burrow isn't better than Josh Allen because of playoff wins for example. You can make the argument other ways, but if you just want to point at playoff wins I think that's silly.

Brady is just the most glaring example of this philosophy.

which is why i'm speculating that rodgers still wouldnt win it if he went to a great defence like the jets.

 

[TheBigIguana]

which is why i'm speculating that rodgers still wouldnt win it if he went to a great defence like the jets.

Yeah I guess my whole point is if Rodgers went to the Jets and went 14-2 but most the AFC Championship game that doesn't for me work out to Brady being better because he joined the Bucs and they finished the job. There are a million things that aren't those two guys that would have caused that.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Mahomes had no offensive line in the Super Bowl which was the only reason he lost. Otherwise he’d be looking at 3 Super bowls in 4 years.

He played Brady on 2 other occasions in Tampa and blew him out both times.

 

[SerenityNigh]

And yet Brady has won almost double the amount of Superbowls than all 3 of those combined. As a competitor and teammate, he blows all of them out of the water, and no amount of passing yards or tight spirals are going to change that in any retrospective. In all future list of best ever NFL players, Tom Brady will be #1.

Tom Brady has 7 rings, here are the list of entities with 5 or more rings:

7 Tom Brady
6 New England Patriots
6 Pittsburg Steelers
5 Charles Haley
5 Dallas Cowboys
5 San Francisco 49ers
...

 

[SerenityNigh]

But your argument against it is "Ringz!"

That's not really anything.

 

[SerenityNigh]

anyway, came here to post this--I have a lot of time for Joe Bryant and Drew Brees, but I am not confident that Wilson still has the physical tools to get it done. but if he does? good luck to them all.

 

[Kev The Rat]

anyway, came here to post this--I have a lot of time for Joe Bryant and Drew Brees, but I am not confident that Wilson still has the physical tools to get it done. but if he does? good luck to them all.

Mahomes has effectively cratered the AFC West. Old man Wilson won’t trouble him just because Payton has arrived

 

[SerenityNigh]

Mahomes has effectively cratered the AFC West. Old man Wilson won’t trouble him just because Payton has arrived

Mahomes is the best QB in the league and Joey B is #2, which are huge impediments to the Broncos chances, but the almighty dollar with its dual constraints of player contract and salary cap space will do a lot to determine how these teams look year to year. We may have already forgotten that the Chiefs lost Tyreek Hill but we will be reminded of that again if they have no receivers healthy to face the Iggles. And what does Cincy do with Tee Higgins?

 

[TheBigIguana]

anyway, came here to post this--I have a lot of time for Joe Bryant and Drew Brees, but I am not confident that Wilson still has the physical tools to get it done. but if he does? good luck to them all.

I don't believe Russ has the goods for how Payton has usually run offense. It'll require adjustment from both.

 

[Kev The Rat]

Mahomes is the best QB in the league and Joey B is #2, which are huge impediments to the Broncos chances, but the almighty dollar with its dual constraints of player contract and salary cap space will do a lot to determine how these teams look year to year. We may have already forgotten that the Chiefs lost Tyreek Hill but we will be reminded of that again if they have no receivers healthy to face the Iggles. And what does Cincy do with Tee Higgins?

Not sure what your point is here?

Any team with no recognised receivers would struggle in a Super Bowl? We have been hit with a rash of injuries that is extremely unusual.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

Yeah the conditions were right. But Tom made sure of that by making sure the teams he was with had sufficient salary space to assemble a good roster. He was notoriously a stickler for watching tape of other teams and being almost psychopathic in his preparation. He maintained a spartan fitness regimen for his entire career that meant he ended up playing at a high level for an unprecedented length of time and having pretty much 3 separate hall of fame careers.

When you ally all of this with the fact that he didn't even have particularly outstanding weapons for a lot of his SB wins, his amazing ability to rally from huge deficits, his ability in clutch situations, his individual SB appearance and win tallies that will almost certainly never be matched. All round it paints the picture of a singularly outstanding competitor and winner who will probably be without peer in our lifetime. He has more Superbowls than any franchise ffs

If people want to argue about who has the best arm or completion percentage ot whatever, that's fine. But Brady is the GOAT and the only people who will argue it are stats dweebs who don't understand any of the intangible qualities that underly high level sporting success, or salty fans of all the teams he has laid waste to over the course of 2 decades

OK mate

Whatever you say