Next Everton Manager

[MikeH72]

We have a lot of talented players, but we have a defensive backline who are bereft of technique. The rot starts from the back for us.

That needs looking at straight away and we need to be really creative in solving it.

Maybe we have a Mascherano type in the squad who can drop back there and do a different but more effective job in stopping attacks and getting us moving? Someone like a fit Besic might have been that player. He played CB at Ferencvaros. Anyway, similar type to him.

Absolutely this. It was as important as a centre forward to replace that back line in the summer.

 

[bluestevon]

I completely agree mate.

I dont see a quick fix anyway because the tools aren't here for that job.

My main opposition to a manager like Alardyce and Dyche is that we'll lose our way for years to come. The blow to the prestige of the club will be immense.

Only another high profile appointment (one with experience of winning and ferociously competitive football as well as attractive football) is acceptable.

This 100%, and more concerning than even that, would be a squad full of players drilled in the Allardyce manner who then get a new manager in trying to get them to play football, basically look at how many teams did similar and fell off the cliff trying to do so.

 

[davek]

Schneiderlin could in theory do that type of role - but more than likely only in a back 3 I'd guess, said during the summer we missed the boat not going for Dendocker from Anderlecht who is exactly that sort of 'eric dier' type

Yep, Schneiderlin in a reshaped backline. We cant just swap around Jagielka, Keane and Williams in a game of musical chairs all season anyway. We need to at least try something creative. I have no idea if Klaassen has played that far back before but he's defensively competitive and can find feet with a pass...and he wont try and stride forward and have the ball nicked off him in a dangerous area of the pitch.

I dont know. Just throwing it out there. But we need to experiment with what we have.

 

[bluestevon]

Absolutely this. It was as important as a centre forward to replace that back line in the summer.

Confidence wise - possibly more important, I've seen plenty of teams that can score ending up a mess due to conceding so many that the confidence fell out them - look no further than us under Martinez. But teams without many goals that can defend very very rarely collapse morale wise the same way - hell us under Moyes when we got 4th - we had a negative goal difference

 

[TheHumbleEgg]

I was very much pro-Unsworth...after yesterday though it's apparent the job is WAY bigger than first feared and as likable & committed as he is he perhaps isn't up for it just yet. And Ebberell never really inspired me as a player, less so as a coach/assistant (his middle name's KEITH ffs)

DU - bold as he was and as quick as he was to action changes at HT - showed, for me anyway, the difference between managing in the PL & the U23's. His tactical acumen was exposed for what it was yesterday - that's to say it's naive and hopeful at best. Leicester weren't great, far from it, but they had us sussed because, simply, there's so little going on with EFC that despite the stats and the poss % we're very rarely a real threat anyway....how many times attacks are wound down in favour of playing backwards and returning the ball to PICKFORD for a welly upfield - essentially trusting the keeper to pick a pass more than outfield colleagues....weird. KENNY's a good kid but outta his depth atm and I genuinely hope he's not gonna keep his place and be cast as the blame-donkey...

I used the word in another post....but I've never seen us less 'unified' as a team for a long time, if at all TBH.

Even under the darker, end days of Bob there was always a chance of a flash of bossness or a goal. Yes, we forgot to defend at times...but now it seems like we've forgotten how to play as a team entirely.

And that's scary IMO.

OCTOBER and a relegation scrap is on the cards... and if you think otherwise then you've either not watched us, not seen the fixture list or both.

I wish it were different.

 

[neil999]

My heart sank yesterday. I think I realised Unsworth isn't that right move.

I think he panicked mate, his initial selection and subs were very strange, he wants the job so badly i think it clouded his judgement

 

[COYBL25]

People saying why would Tuchel touch this mess etc and it could ruin his reputation.

My counter to that would be this Dave, we are looking so terrible that any manager worth his salt would see this as a opportunity - absolutely rock bottom fan-base who are even talking about yard dogs like Allardyce and Moyes, imagine the credit a manager coming in and turning this around then gets, looks pretty damned good on a CV like wouldn't it?

As for the fire-fighter idea of a manager - it works for those managers because they are usually taking on a bunch of groks and re-treads, this squad on the other hand has a LOT of players with pretty big reputations - and thats an entirely different group to motivate to punt it long and grind results out, simply put, we'd need to buy 6-7 agricultural players and bin off all the more skilful ones to fit that managers methods of keeping a team up. Grim times if we do go that route as the club will be set back 5-6 years because of panicking after ten games

At the moment, bar a young lad at right back, we don't have a defence anymore and we can't score goals.

We're not getting out of it anytime soon by the looks of it.

It's going to be very difficult, other than by paying silly wages, to get players who we'd like to get in.

We're reaching a point, where our options are becoming more and more limited with every game.

 

[MickA]

There's two choices for me in terms of playing style. We're too easy to play against when we have the ball and too easy to play against when we don't have it.

So we either try to out-score the opposition (which is frankly lunacy with that squad) or organise to defend a point as a priority.

It must be the second option. There's no pace in defence so we have to sit deeper anyway. Restrict the FB and get a tight CB-CM grip. Lots on here mentioning Allardyce but the best person to set up as above would be Benitez.

We need to get points and confidence and Unsworth's open style isn't the way.

 

[bluestevon]

Yep, Schneiderlin in a reshaped backline. We cant just swap around Jagielka, Keane and Williams in a game of musical chairs all season anyway. We need to at least try something creative. I have no idea if Klaassen has played that far back before but he's defensively competitive and can find feet with a pass...and he wont try and stride forward and have the ball nicked off him in a dangerous area of the pitch.

I dont know. Just throwing it out there. But we need to experiment with what we have.

We are that bad at the back - that I'm actually praying for Mori to come back mate, it has come to that...

 

[COYBL25]

I think he panicked mate, his initial selection and subs were very strange, he wants the job so badly i think it clouded his judgement

a polite way of saying he F'd up Neil lol

 

[billyblue80]

I see where Dave is coming from we bought footballers this summer, so getting a direct coach might keep us up but won't take us on afterwards might be a backwards step. But for me we need someone to sort this mess out sharpish we look an utter shambles with a lack of a game plan to hurt teams and a slow defence. We will go down if neither of these things change make no mistake about it. Dyche for me.

 

[davek]

This 100%, and more concerning than even that, would be a squad full of players drilled in the Allardyce manner who then get a new manager in trying to get them to play football, basically look at how many teams did similar and fell off the cliff trying to do so.

Yeah. I'd say also that crisis or not, we are 10 games in and about 5 points from mid-table safety. We have time and scope to make a non-panic driven decision we will regret for years.

The sooner people accept that we are in a crisis but not a death spiral the better. Just accept that the season is gone...a write off. Then calmly pick our way out of this using creative means on team selection and plan a hit list for January. Only a good manager can do that anyway, so forget the Dyches and Alardyces of this world.

 

[MickA]

Confidence wise - possibly more important, I've seen plenty of teams that can score ending up a mess due to conceding so many that the confidence fell out them - look no further than us under Martinez. But teams without many goals that can defend very very rarely collapse morale wise the same way - hell us under Moyes when we got 4th - we had a negative goal difference

It's been criminal the way we let Howard/Baines/Hibbert/Jagielka/Williams age without replacements or competition. Been a failing of the last two managers (and the board as well).

 

[neil999]

At the moment, bar a young lad at right back, we don't have a defence anymore and we can't score goals.

We're not getting out of it anytime soon by the looks of it.

It's going to be very difficult, other than by paying silly wages, to get players who we'd like to get in.

We're reaching a point, where our options are becoming more and more limited with every game.

what was scary yesterday is looking at the line ups, i prob would have taken leicesters back 5 and front 3 over ours...how has that happened?!

 

[bluestevon]

There's two choices for me in terms of playing style. We're too easy to play against when we have the ball and too easy to play against when we don't have it.

So we either try to out-score the opposition (which is frankly lunacy with that squad) or organise to defend a point as a priority.

It must be the second option. There's no pace in defence so we have to sit deeper anyway. Restrict the FB and get a tight CB-CM grip. Lots on here mentioning Allardyce but the best person to set up as above would be Benitez.

We need to get points and confidence and Unsworth's open style isn't the way.

Unsworths style and system requires confidence that frankly is not in the squad - otherwise it's just a step removed from the Martinez way of play

Benitez is the blindingly obvious choice should we be that concerned by possible relegation that we would consider the likes of Dyce or Allardyce. Because he's a manager who can do it at that end of the table with frankly an absolutely shocking set of players at Newcastle that make ours look like Real Madrid in comparison. BUT he can also manage a team in Europe and which is trying to win things - as his history at many clubs shows.

On what you suggest btw, Gueye needs to be sat down and out the squad, he is one of the least disciplined dm's i have ever seen, in fact the young lad ACTUALLY seems to have that in spades about him and maybe should be playing now