New Everton Stadium Discussion

Anyone else think that UNESCO have realised they ballsed up giving the docks world heritage status so they are using the development as an out?
I'm no local but i understand the importance of protecting the surrounding history & certain features but it really isn't the pyramids or the Coliseum now is it? Most of the Berlin wall has gone & that could be argued as more significant. I remember pieces of the wall being given away as prizes by Timmy Mallett on Wacaday. For you young ones he was a children's tv presenter who wasn't a paedophile in the 80's..... i think.

Nobody wants a piece of old dock wall.
 
People need to chill out, the stadium is not being opposed or under threat. This is about the entire development on the docks, not just the stadium, the council are setting up a special team to work with Unesco. If it comes to it, I think the council will choose billions of pounds of investment over a Unesco accreditation. This development is enormous for the city of Liverpool, for jobs, homes and growth
 
Almost exactly a year ago we were reassured that UNESCO had been pacified over the planned development of the BMD. Anderson etc crowing about it.

Obvioulsy one of two things have happened for WHS to be unbder threat agaiN:

1/ UNESCO have reneged on their June 2018 decision
2/ Everton have not reassured UNESCO they're stadium design will compliment the existing river front site

Either way, it's an issue.
 
Doesn't matter if you didn't know it was mate, it is and unfortunately that's it. I do place value in the history of our city though and balls to the Victorians for doing that. Thing is, it was known about the status of that wall whilst us Blues were screaming for that site, it's not a massive obstacle, there will be a way around it and dare I say in generations to come, that wall will become synonymous with our new stadium. It really isn't a big deal.

Firstly we're Everton, we don't associate ourselves with knocking down walls.

Secondly we could always go over it, leaving it as it is.
 
Almost exactly a year ago we were reassured that UNESCO had been pacified over the planned development of the BMD. Anderson etc crowing about it.

Obvioulsy one of two things have happened for WHS to be unbder threat agaiN:

1/ UNESCO have reneged on their June 2018 decision
2/ Everton have not reassured UNESCO they're stadium design will compliment the existing river front site

Either way, it's an issue.
A Liverpool business leader days Liverpool should “hand back” its World Heritage Status (WHS) following UNESCO’s latest criticism of the city.

Frank McKenna, chief executive of business lobbying organisation Downtown in Business, said he is “fed up” of Liverpool going “cap in hand” to please UNESCO, which he branded a “faceless, unaccountable body”.

Removal threat

For the past couple of years UNESCO has been threatening Liverpool with the loss of WHS, awarded in 2004 and covering the waterfront and city centre. It is unhappy with proposed developments at Peel’s £5bn Liverpool Waters scheme in the northern docklands.

Although Liverpool Waters is outside of the WHS area it is part of a ‘buffer zone’ and UNESCO is concerned that proposed residential and office buildings, as well as a new stadium planned by Everton FC, would have a detrimental impact on the world famous waterfront vista.

Liverpool City Council and Peel have attempted to placate UNESCO with Peel, in particular, making changes to the Liverpool Waters masterplan in order to allay the concerns. However, UNESCO remains unmoved and is once again threatening to remove WHS. It believes the stadium could threaten the “authenticity and integrity” of Liverpool’s waterfront.

Frank McKenna
Frank McKenna, chief executive of Downtown in Business. Picture by Tony McDonough


The council has been asked to respond to UNESCO’s concerns by February next year and Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said: “Our situation is complex because the city centre is not a monument. We are a bustling, dynamic, thriving 21st century city that continues to evolve.”

And the response from Mr Kenna was even stronger. He believes the row with UNESCO is putting off investors and is a barrier to Liverpool’s continued economic renaissance. He is urging the city council to “give the badge back”.

Pausing progress

He told LBN: “I can’t be the only one who is fed up with the city having to constantly go cap in hand to this faceless, unaccountable body, amending plans, stymying regeneration and pausing progress in order to retain a title that is worth little or nothing in economic, tourism or cultural terms.

“Can the ordinary Liverpudlian understand how an abandoned, derelict part of the city can be considered a ‘heritage site’ that needs to be protected? Do we really want to be sending a message to international investors that, as well as all the usual planning rules and regulations they have to face to get development plans approved, here in our city we have additional hoops that they have to jump through?

“More importantly are we going to allow UNESCO to stop the regeneration of north Liverpool, not just in the dock area but in Walton too – stop business growth, stop job creation and put in jeopardy the potential and opportunities these plans offer our city?”

Mr Kenna said he was in favour of a quality threshold on the design on new buildings in the city, but added: “The irony is, since WHS was awarded, some tat has been allowed to go up in the city. UNESCO is seemingly disinterested in the core of our city centre, while objecting to plans to revive an area of town that has been neglected for too long.

“It is time to tell them to take back their vanity badge and let Liverpool continue the momentum that has seen it revive its fortunes over the past decade without the hinderance of useless, bureaucratic interference.”
 

A Liverpool business leader days Liverpool should “hand back” its World Heritage Status (WHS) following UNESCO’s latest criticism of the city.

Frank McKenna, chief executive of business lobbying organisation Downtown in Business, said he is “fed up” of Liverpool going “cap in hand” to please UNESCO, which he branded a “faceless, unaccountable body”.

Removal threat

For the past couple of years UNESCO has been threatening Liverpool with the loss of WHS, awarded in 2004 and covering the waterfront and city centre. It is unhappy with proposed developments at Peel’s £5bn Liverpool Waters scheme in the northern docklands.

Although Liverpool Waters is outside of the WHS area it is part of a ‘buffer zone’ and UNESCO is concerned that proposed residential and office buildings, as well as a new stadium planned by Everton FC, would have a detrimental impact on the world famous waterfront vista.

Liverpool City Council and Peel have attempted to placate UNESCO with Peel, in particular, making changes to the Liverpool Waters masterplan in order to allay the concerns. However, UNESCO remains unmoved and is once again threatening to remove WHS. It believes the stadium could threaten the “authenticity and integrity” of Liverpool’s waterfront.

Frank McKenna
Frank McKenna, chief executive of Downtown in Business. Picture by Tony McDonough


The council has been asked to respond to UNESCO’s concerns by February next year and Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson said: “Our situation is complex because the city centre is not a monument. We are a bustling, dynamic, thriving 21st century city that continues to evolve.”

And the response from Mr Kenna was even stronger. He believes the row with UNESCO is putting off investors and is a barrier to Liverpool’s continued economic renaissance. He is urging the city council to “give the badge back”.

Pausing progress

He told LBN: “I can’t be the only one who is fed up with the city having to constantly go cap in hand to this faceless, unaccountable body, amending plans, stymying regeneration and pausing progress in order to retain a title that is worth little or nothing in economic, tourism or cultural terms.

“Can the ordinary Liverpudlian understand how an abandoned, derelict part of the city can be considered a ‘heritage site’ that needs to be protected? Do we really want to be sending a message to international investors that, as well as all the usual planning rules and regulations they have to face to get development plans approved, here in our city we have additional hoops that they have to jump through?

“More importantly are we going to allow UNESCO to stop the regeneration of north Liverpool, not just in the dock area but in Walton too – stop business growth, stop job creation and put in jeopardy the potential and opportunities these plans offer our city?”

Mr Kenna said he was in favour of a quality threshold on the design on new buildings in the city, but added: “The irony is, since WHS was awarded, some tat has been allowed to go up in the city. UNESCO is seemingly disinterested in the core of our city centre, while objecting to plans to revive an area of town that has been neglected for too long.

“It is time to tell them to take back their vanity badge and let Liverpool continue the momentum that has seen it revive its fortunes over the past decade without the hinderance of useless, bureaucratic interference.”
That's the same divvy who thought a shed next to Tesco in Kirkby was a great deal for Everton.

An utter spiv.

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£2.8B per year comes into Liverpool each year via tourism. The traffic into the city due to being on the WHS list will account for a lot of that.

I bet a very small % of people look up whether an area has WHS before deciding whether it's worth travelling there or not.

It would seem to me that Liverpool is a place that attracts that level of tourism based on lots of other factors, none of them being to do with WHS.
 

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