New Everton Stadium Discussion

[Tom Hughes]

Where does the 20 boxes figure come from ??

The club.

 

[charlie atkins]

I think there will plenty of corporate event suites that take advantage of the view over the river in that extended 'box' to the west of the main stand. Looking forward to seeing the floor plans. I'm guessing Sunderland have loads of empty boxes. Their ground was designed before the tighter regulations came in on 'corporate entertainment' when boxes were more popular.

Better atmosphere in function room rather than a box. Guest speakers etc.

 

[Barry Rathbone]

& both plans look ugly. Anfield will look terrible in the future compared to modern stadia. I work in Manchester & pass the likes of Old Trafford & it looks awful now, just like a meccano set. For the life of me I cannot understand why everyone would not want to grab this chance with both hands. Goodison has special memories for all of us but it's had it's day. You stand still in this league, you go backwards,

Clubs who have built new have taken a dip in fortunes, gone into liquidation or seen the owner killed at the new site - hardly going forward. By comparison Utd and the RS with revamped stadiums have Prem records most can only dream of..

 

[RobSpurs]

I keep reading about the value of stadium naming rights, but is there a deal in place? The reason I ask is because I saw Spurs next home match is to
be played at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium. Are they having trouble finding a sponsor? After all this time?

Possibly, possibly not.

Some think we've been waiting until after the NFL games, summer concerts etc to seal a deal. i.e. show interested sponsors exactly what they're getting, try to push the numbers up. The fact we've only just brought on board an agency who specialises in this means that could be true. Interview from Bloomberg:

[Sturner] I’m here with Tottenham, and we’re talking to a lot of the global brands here for the stadium naming rights. We are the agency on record for them. They have the NFL there, they have rugby, music concerts, EPL and Champions League. It’s a massive stadium, with 63,000 seats, but it’s very innovative. Technology is incredible with 5G, and we are looking for a partner with that. Similar to like Metlife Stadium in New York, we’re doing in London.

[Bloomberg] Will that be the most expensive stadium naming rights ever?

[Sturner] Ever. It could be! It can be the most valuable.

I guess it's his job to talk it up.

Short answer, nobody apart from Levy knows if we've been struggling with this or just playing the long game.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Possibly, possibly not.

Some think we've been waiting until after the NFL games, summer concerts etc to seal a deal. i.e. show interested sponsors exactly what they're getting, try to push the numbers up. The fact we've only just brought on board an agency who specialises in this means that could be true. Interview from Bloomberg:



I guess it's his job to talk it up.

Short answer, nobody apart from Levy knows if we've been struggling with this or just playing the long game.

Doubt this mate - agency suggests difficulty in the first place.

 

[Dr Baxter]

Do we know how many people each box seats at each stadium? Otherwise, presumably we are comparing apples with oranges. How many will ours seat? Do we know yet?

 

[dvm2378]

Clubs who have built new have taken a dip in fortunes, gone into liquidation or seen the owner killed at the new site - hardly going forward. By comparison Utd and the RS with revamped stadiums have Prem records most can only dream of..

Man Utd cant do anything more as they have the railway at the back of their main stand but just a few months back the MEN newspaper had an article on Old Trafford being left behind. Anfield in comparison to Goodison is a different kettle of fish due to years of work/shithouse tricks to get the space etc to do what they need. I live 10 mins walk away & what they done to the area is disgusting over the years. Also the difference is they are the biggest 2 in the country, the rest of us need the new grounds to generate more money. Leicester moving had nothing to do with the owner passing away so don't be silly. I am now in my 40s & love Goodison but hand on heart it's an absolute shithole now & I want that new start, we need it!!!

 

[Tom Hughes]

& both plans look ugly. Anfield will look terrible in the future compared to modern stadia. I work in Manchester & pass the likes of Old Trafford & it looks awful now, just like a meccano set. For the life of me I cannot understand why everyone would not want to grab this chance with both hands. Goodison has special memories for all of us but it's had it's day. You stand still in this league, you go backwards,

The Ward McHugh designs are over 20yrs old now, so no doubt have aged a bit, but whether or not they are ugily is quite subjective. If the configuration was adjusted and a different roof design was adopted, then it need not be that dissimilar to the offering at BMD, which let's be honest is quite basic in comparison to Spurs ground for instance. However, the main point I was making was that some are still insisting that redevelopment cannot be done even though those fully costed designs from a renowned stadium designer disproved that a long time ago. Therefore, I don't think that stance adds to the discussion, and only makes it easy to see how we nearly sleep-walked to Kirkby.

As regards Anfield and Old Trafford..... i agree that they are not the best examples, but they are at least built and fully paid for (or soon will be) and have massively increased their matchday incomes. There are many better examples in Europe where redevelopment has been better thought-through and delivered and resulted in many great stadia...... As I said, the likes of the Bernabeu, San Siro and most of Germany's stadia are redeveloped stadia etc. In otherwords they don't have to big dog's dinners...... and redevelopment should always be the benchmark that any relocation proposals are measured against. That hasn't happened (yet again).

The business plan appears to be: our owner is loaded and his mate is too. They're both great businessmen, so we can build it (I can remember people saying the same about Terry Leahy and Tesco etc at Kirkby). That's fair enough and could work for me too..... provided we're not being packaged to then be sold to a carpet bagger a few yrs down the line or as soon as the first loan repayments are due. It may also be ok if USM pledges sponsorship for the full term of the loan. Fact is, we know nothing about the finances supporting this (they are not yet finalised if the AGM is to be believed), and we have nothing to measure it against at GP or any other site, and the transport plan is non-existent. At present, we only have some nice images and walk throughs and a couple of box ticking exercises..... I am as excited as anyone about the prospect of a new stadium, but will defer judgement until some of my reservations are resolved.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Clubs who have built new have taken a dip in fortunes, gone into liquidation or seen the owner killed at the new site - hardly going forward. By comparison Utd and the RS with revamped stadiums have Prem records most can only dream of..

What the hell does that have to do with a new stadium?

 

[dvm2378]

The Ward McHugh designs are over 20yrs old now, so no doubt have aged a bit, but whether or not they are ugily is quite subjective. If the configuration was adjusted and a different roof design was adopted, then it need not be that dissimilar to the offering at BMD, which let's be honest is quite basic in comparison to Spurs ground for instance. However, the main point I was making was that some are still insisting that redevelopment cannot be done even though those fully costed designs from a renowned stadium designer disproved that a long time ago. Therefore, I don't think that stance adds to the discussion, and only makes it easy to see how we nearly sleep-walked to Kirkby.

As regards Anfield and Old Trafford..... i agree that they are not the best examples, but they are at least built and fully paid for (or soon will be) and have massively increased their matchday incomes. There are many better examples in Europe where redevelopment has been better thought-through and delivered and resulted in many great stadia...... As I said, the likes of the Bernabeu, San Siro and most of Germany's stadia are redeveloped stadia etc. In otherwords they don't have to big dog's dinners...... and redevelopment should always be the benchmark that any relocation proposals are measured against. That hasn't happened (yet again).

The business plan appears to be: our owner is loaded and his mate is too. They're both great businessmen, so we can build it (I can remember people saying the same about Terry Leahy and Tesco etc at Kirkby). That's fair enough and could work for me too..... provided we're not being packaged to then be sold to a carpet bagger a few yrs down the line or as soon as the first loan repayments are due. It may also be ok if USM pledges sponsorship for the full term of the loan. Fact is, we know nothing about the finances supporting this (they are not yet finalised if the AGM is to be believed), and we have nothing to measure it against at GP or any other site, and the transport plan is non-existent. At present, we only have some nice images and walk throughs and a couple of box ticking exercises..... I am as excited as anyone about the prospect of a new stadium, but will defer judgement until some of my reservations are resolved.

Both Milan clubs are behind a new ground move, I am going in November to catch a game as it's a bucket list ground for & is sadly going. Stadiums are changing, they need to be used on matchdays as well so tarting up Goodison I'm sure can be done but the space around the place won't change much, parking. land etc.

 

[Dr Baxter]

There will always be fans who won't be happy staying in Walton. I'm one of them.

 

[Abraders]

So what? Can't see boat loads of Yanks bursting to get off the cruiseliner to take a look at some peculiar building at BMD. And they certainly won't be going to watch a game -- in fact even if they wanted to they couldn't get a ticket a short notice, the limited capacity at BMD would rule that out.

Less about the capacity and more about the percentage of tickets we sell to season ticket holders. Goodison is currently 90%+ season tickets and BMD will probably be the same.

I personally think that's an extortionate amount of tickets to lock down.

 

[MickA]

The waterfront is the only location I've wanted to leave GP for. However, as @Tom Hughes says, that shouldn't be the only pre-requisite. The points about accessibility are absolutely valid and thats been a concern I've had for a while. The limited transport plan I've seen is based on taxi's, existing Merseyrail and shuttle buses as far as I can see and we need much, much more detail on this. The site is too far for a lot of people to walk in general and too far for probably 99% in bad weather.

There are also very intesting points from the various GP options paticulary around overlapping tiers and bringing supporters close to the action which have been sidelined for some weird 'as steep as we can possibly get' mantra. Yes it's too late now to change BMD plans but that doesn't mean this discussion shouldn't address them. Frankly, some of the posts over the last ten pages are childish.

 

[Barry Rathbone]

What the hell does that have to do with a new stadium?

It adds weight to the notion clubs building new stadia are living in a fools paradise where riches and transformation to greatness are guaranteed when in reality all evidence points to a cursed venture. The footballing gods slipped in a title for Leicester to distract attention then used the stadium to down his chopper.. Remember the soothsayer and his prophesy in Shalespeares play Julius Caesar - "beware the tides and Mosh"

You have been warned

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

It adds weight to the notion clubs building new stadia are living in a fools paradise where riches and transformation to greatness are guaranteed when in reality all evidence points to a cursed venture. The footballing gods slipped in a title for Leicester to distract attention then used the stadium to down his chopper.. Remember the soothsayer and his prophesy in Shalespeares play Julius Caesar - "beware the tides and Mosh"

You have been warned

How the stadium cause the tail rotor to disconnect from the drive shaft?