New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[marty mcfly]

Whilst I agree that the CL has taken centre stage over the years, the format has remained largely the same, barring that daft 2nd group stage business. It has not, and I doubt ever will, become the European Super League.

It will always be a knockout tournament with a final but eventually I think we'll end up with something similar to the NFL.

 

[ically]

They don't need to actually have the money. I said they could arrange favorable interest rates. Lending 100m to a football club is risky, lending it to government is a lot less risky, or they could allow the individual who invests to make it a tax write-off or give tax-breaks to the club for the future. Governments can find money when they need to through various different methods.

Maybe you should approach the club and council with this idea?
See how you get on.

 

[MickA]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/everton-not-build-new-stadium-5747109

Is that the bombshell announcement that people are talking about?

I think there's a lot of brinkmanship going on about who's going to pay for it. The council know it will be great for them. Everton know it will be great for them. Neither wants to pay but both want to take the credit.

Typical public/private sector maneuvering. I think it will take place. I think Kirby would have happened if the city council didn't prevent it and frankly because they did this project would have been in the works since then.

Seriously? Mate, the reasons why DK failed are extremely clear and very accessible in just a few clicks. It was never going to happen as the Club were told right at the start. The only people to blame are the the Everton board of directors.

 

[MickA]

It's worth a lot to the council as well. The regeneration of the area, jobs and lets face it if the board don't get their way they will be looking to take the club where someone will pay them.

This is where transparency and independent verification should come into play, something Everton are historically massively opposed to. Personally, and I am prepared to be corrected on this, I don't see what regeneration and jobs boost a stadium in WHP will bring. Low cost housing and a one purpose 20-use-a-year stadium doesn't suggest to me it'll improve north Liverpool.

A city centre (or closer than GP) multi-purpose stadium would no doubt bring in revenues and maybe even the BU touted idea of a link-up with sports science at one of the universities. WHP just seems totally devoid of imagination and wholly fuelled by post build balance sheets.

Of course, any private business doesn't have to open itself up to transparency and independent verification, but this present lot frankly have zero trust left and should be monitored at every turn.

 

[marty mcfly]

Maybe you should approach the club and council with this idea?
See how you get on.

I'm sure this is all been discussed already. It's just a question of all the vested interests coming together and doing the deal.

 

[marty mcfly]

Seriously? Mate, the reasons why DK failed are extremely clear and very accessible in just a few clicks. It was never going to happen as the Club were told right at the start. The only people to blame are the the Everton board of directors.

It was the government that stopped them moving. Everton are a huge asset to the city and they wanted to protect it.

We can argue all we want about whether that was a good thing or not. Personally if the deal gets done and we get a new stadium then it was brilliant. I didn't want us to move. I certainly wouldn't want us to move even further. However if the deal doesn't get done then we'll be playing in the Championship in 10-20 years.

 

[ically]

http://www.knowsley.gov.uk/pdf/AD33_Destination Kirkby Inspector's Report July 2009.pdf

For anyone who hasn't read the findings and choose to believe in fairies and stuff, This is the report about Kirkby.

 

[marty mcfly]

This is where transparency and independent verification should come into play, something Everton are historically massively opposed to. Personally, and I am prepared to be corrected on this, I don't see what regeneration and jobs boost a stadium in WHP will bring. Low cost housing and a one purpose 20-use-a-year stadium doesn't suggest to me it'll improve north Liverpool.

A city centre (or closer than GP) multi-purpose stadium would no doubt bring in revenues and maybe even the BU touted idea of a link-up with sports science at one of the universities. WHP just seems totally devoid of imagination and wholly fuelled by post build balance sheets.

Of course, any private business doesn't have to open itself up to transparency and independent verification, but this present lot frankly have zero trust left and should be monitored at every turn.

Of course it will. Look at the area around Manchester City. There's no way they will open themselves up to transparency. The light of day is the quickest way to kill any deal because all you will do is give the vested interests that want to stop the deal more information to use against you.

Who are these vested interests? The shops and bars in and around Goodison, the home owners looking for a big pay-day. Someone looking to buy the club at a cut price rate. Liverpool investors and fans. Who knows? But there are always those that do.

 

[MickA]

It was the government that stopped them moving. Everton are a huge asset to the city and they wanted to protect it.

We can argue all we want about whether that was a good thing or not. Personally if the deal gets done and we get a new stadium then it was brilliant. I didn't want us to move. I certainly wouldn't want us to move even further. However if the deal doesn't get done then we'll be playing in the Championship in 10-20 years.

The government were simply implementing the laws for planning regulations. Then there was the issue of transferring KMBC public land straight to a balance sheet. In no way can anybody knowing all the facts state that the proposed DK stadium would be 'brilliant'.

It was a shambles and those involved should have been ran out of the Club.

 

[marty mcfly]

The government were simply implementing the laws for planning regulations. Then there was the issue of transferring KMBC public land straight to a balance sheet. In no way can anybody knowing all the facts state that the proposed DK stadium would be 'brilliant'.

It was a shambles and those involved should have been ran out of the Club.

lol - sure that's what they where doing.

 

[MickA]

Of course it will. Look at the area around Manchester City. There's no way they will open themselves up to transparency. The light of day is the quickest way to kill any deal because all you will do is give the vested interests that want to stop the deal more information to use against you.

Who are these vested interests? The shops and bars in and around Goodison, the home owners looking for a big pay-day. Someone looking to buy the club at a cut price rate. Liverpool investors. Who knows? But there are always those that do.

I do agree but there is no way i and many others trust this lot with a ground move and rightly so given the weight of evidence against them. MCFC are building a sporting legacy around Eastfields, we'd just be asking Barr to lump a stadium next to some housing scheme. (Not that I have anything but the greatest admiration of housing schemes!)

 

[MickA]

lol - sure that's what they where doing.

@ically has given the link.

 

[ically]

@ically has given the link.

Bet he doesn't have the time to read stuff like that.

 

[marty mcfly]

@ically has given the link.

The contents are:

5.0 The Case for Tesco Stores Ltd
6.0 The Case for Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council
7.0 The Case for Kirkby Residents in Support of Progress
8.0 The Case for Liverpool City Council
9.0 The Case for the Combined Authority Objectors
10.0 The Case for Grosvenor Limited
11.0 The Case for Knowsley Constituency Liberal Democrats
12.0 The Case for Kirkby Residents Action Group
13.0 The Case for Keep Everton in Our City
14.0 The Case for Grange Residents

When you say planning law? What do you mean? Is it part of our planning laws that prevent a company from moving from one location to another?

Of course not. Liverpool Council among others came in and stopped it due to the negative effects it would have on the area around Goodison and to the city. If you call that planning laws then OK fair enough but lets not pretend it's anything other than what it was and while now Liverpool council are on board there will still be other dissenters.

 

[MickA]

The contents are:

5.0 The Case for Tesco Stores Ltd
6.0 The Case for Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council
7.0 The Case for Kirkby Residents in Support of Progress
8.0 The Case for Liverpool City Council
9.0 The Case for the Combined Authority Objectors
10.0 The Case for Grosvenor Limited
11.0 The Case for Knowsley Constituency Liberal Democrats
12.0 The Case for Kirkby Residents Action Group
13.0 The Case for Keep Everton in Our City
14.0 The Case for Grange Residents

When you say planning law? What do you mean? Is it part of our planning laws that prevent a company from moving from one location to another?

Of course not. Liverpool Council among others came in and stopped it due to the negative effects it would have on the area around Goodison and to the city. If you call that planning laws then OK fair enough but lets not pretend it's anything other than what it was and while now Liverpool council are on board there will still be other dissenters.

All the evidence is available, I'd suggest you read it. People may not think of you as stupid/ignorant/on a wind up