GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
I said my opinion falls within that of the majority, which the polls back up.
Carry on with the slurs, though. Making yourself look real big here.
Carry on with the slurs, though. Making yourself look real big here.
The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
Not an attack by the way as 58k would probably be fine for the vast majority but you've said to go for 56 to 58k which would be packed out every game, so what is an extra 2k on top? Even if they didn't sell you are talking about the equivalent of 2 rows left empty at the top and back of the stand where it would barely make any appreciable difference to the atmosphere or how it looks from TV.
Even 5k empty seats would be no problem, we have gotten 33k crowds at Goodison, and I wouldn't say it looked bare and percentage wise 60 - 5 is going to look better than 40 - 5. I would bet that some of the games that had lower gates had a better atmosphere than some of the full houses as it all depends on is the crowd and also the team up for it, so it's not all about being sold out.
I just fail to understand why people would elect to have a smaller stadium unless we can't afford it. What we build now will probably more than likely remain the same bar from a few superficial changes for the next 100 years. We are not only basing what we can get now but what we could get if we started winning things. We would not extend it if we started being successful, by the time they left it enough years to agree to do something we would be back on the slide as a team and even if we did have the gumption to do it with all those apartment blocks being built around Nelson dock someone would find a way to stop it due to blocking of light etc. Or we would allow people to build close to it on both sides to gain an extra few quid so we would be eventually hemmed in like we are at Goodison. This is a once in a hundred year deal, build it to what we attain to get not what we think is right for right now. The first 25 years will be painful whatever but the 75 or so thereafter it is all gains, it would be folly to think we would have to pay out a shed load more just after we get straight to extend it to what it should have been in the first place. (That's if we go for something silly like 50k)
At Restricted views Goodison probably none
At a brand new USM Dixie Dean stadium at Bramley Moore Dock , probably every league game
As one of the advocates for over 60k, here is my reasoning:
In the early 90's Man Utd got lucky with a perfect storm of a good manager and a young team of stars. They went on a run that has seen them since amass 11 league titles and numerous other trophies. During that period they have constantly upgraded their stadium, as the demand matched their success. If I remember correctly Old Trafords capacity was 40k odd at the beginning. They are now looking to go above 80k.
Now say we get just as lucky. We find a decent manager, and thanks to our financial backing, get in some stars. We go on a run of success that sees us win numerous stuff over a 10 year period, and we find ourselves equals to Man Utd. How restricting and short sighted is a 50k stadium going to seem? We'll just find ourselves in a similar position to the one currently facing City and Chelsea. The flip side of that is we don't. We never improve our lot and stay it this level forever, making a 60k seem excessive. I know which scenario I'd prefer us to be moving towards. When I talk about ambition, that is where I'm coming from.
I know currently 60k would be excessive. I also know building a 60k stadium will not bring success, only the team and manger will. I also agree that a 50k will make no difference in us achieving success. But if we don't aim to be the best we can be at everything we do, then what is the point?
Up until the 90's this football club was at the forefront of English football, from being the first purpose built stadium, to the first to fit under soil heating. We are the only English club to have hosted a World Cup semi final. That's how great Goodison used to be. That all stopped with building of the very short sighted Park End, and since then we've become also rans. We just make up the numbers theses days. Why not make this new stadium the start to propel ourselves back to forefront of English football? Aim big, make a statement, make people take us seriously again.
Building a 50k stadium just seems like the Park End all over again; an opportunity to do something great being passed by for the cheaper, better than what we had anyway, alternative.
Not until they are guaranteed supplies of chicken
KFC without the chicken just doesn’t taste the same
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Unless we have an order of 60,000 chickens Every two weeks then there'd be no point. We'd have to sell obstructed from the KFC seats. Doesn't bare thinking about.
SpongeBob brown shoes
Player Valuation: £40m
Duncan wouldn’t allow it
So people want us to match "our peers", yet seem to think our peers are City, Chelsea and the like, when our peers are currently Burnley 21k, Leicester 32k and Bournemouth 11k.
But the Etihad is ONLY 55k
Stamford Bridge is ONLY 41k
Anfield 54k
White Hart Lane 36k
Emirates 60k
Old Trafford 75k
So if we built it at 55k we could match or better 4 out of 6 of the top teams in the league.
But the Etihad is ONLY 55k
Stamford Bridge is ONLY 41k
Anfield 54k
White Hart Lane 36k
Emirates 60k
Old Trafford 75k
So if we built it at 55k we could match or better 4 out of 6 of the top teams in the league.
orly
Please check with me for Blammo criteria
??????? Old trafford 75k ???????
I don't want us to match anyone.
What happens though, if say 10 years down the line we are successful again. We sell out every home game, and have a season ticket waiting list?
What happens if we get relegated?
Can't build a stadium on 'what ifs'
We just spunked £200m on players and had our most disappointing season in decades
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