New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[anton66]

How many times would we have sold over 50,000 seats this season?

Quite a few I think. Remember we have a waiting list of 7k for season tickets, so if the capacity at Goodison was larger that 7k would have had season tickets. So in a nice new shiny stadium with no obstructed views, plenty more.

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Seems to me they want to drive a wedge between the fanbase first, just like they did with Kirkby.

Having Kenwright, Woods and Elstone acting as a 'safe pair of hands' for when Moshiri took the initial controlling stake has been an absolute nightmare. Their horrid small-time ways are still lingering around the club. It should have been a complete wipeout of the utter failures.

Yeah, always baffled me that, I thought elstone was getting booted but instead got promoted, hopefully after this season Moshiris had enough of the rugby super league mentality and employs a premier league CEO and board members who want to be successful

 

[dead_soft]

We’ve had a number of attendances in the excess of 75,000 at Goodison Park. But ok.

In our whole history we’ve only averaged above 50k over a season ONCE and that was too long ago to make any difference to this argument

 

[davek]

Are you saying they are caged lions Dave ?

Noble and brave lions who won't easily allow their club to be demoted to also rans and dumped in the dustbin of history by the carpet baggers.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

The thing that annoys me the most about this is the club's lack of communication. If they had just said form the start that the site was small so capacity was limited, but the trade off will be location and iconic. They would had support from almost everyone.

Instead you've had Meis dropping hints of 60k, and the fan survey has allowed votes on 60k and over. Why do that when the size of the site at BMD only allows for, say, 55k? So the club has panicked, and are now using echo and Meis to manage expectations. They've as good as thrown Meis to the wolves here. It's a shambles, and doesn't give me much confidence that those at the club can get this right.

Elstone leaving can't come quick enough

 

[mickefc]

Why are smart arses going on about fans designing the stadium? Theyre having an opinion on capacity, nothing more. Little Elstone idiots

 

[toffeejack]

The thing that annoys me the most about this is the club's lack of communication. If they had just said form the start that the site was small so capacity was limited, but the trade off will be location and iconic. They would had support from almost everyone.

Instead you've had Meis dropping hints of 60k, and the fan survey has allowed votes on 60k and over. Why do that when the size of the site at BMD only allows for, say, 55k? So the club has panicked, and are now using echo and Meis to manage expectations. They've as good as thrown Meis to the wolves here. It's a shambles, and doesn't give me much confidence that those at the club can get this right.

Elstone leaving can't come quick enough

I'm guessing it'd be down to funding really. 60k was what they thought was possible if they got maximum funding to make the area larger as a whole, but as they're finding that not possible they have a smaller area of the Dock to take up?

I don't really know enough about these things tbh, but that's what my guess would be.

 

[indieman1]

Quite a few I think. Remember we have a waiting list of 7k for season tickets, so if the capacity at Goodison was larger that 7k would have had season tickets. So in a nice new shiny stadium with no obstructed views, plenty more.

Waiting lists are misleading. I'd imagine at least a third or so wouldn't be in a financial position to take one up if offered. The rs have significantly more than 7k on their list (they even charge the dolts to remain on it) and seem to be doubtful they could fill another 6k seats profitably.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

I'm guessing it'd be down to funding really. 60k was what they thought was possible if they got maximum funding to make the area larger as a whole, but as they're finding that not possible they have a smaller area of the Dock to take up?

I don't really know enough about these things tbh, but that's what my guess would be.

That's all we can do really. Guess.

Problem is, the club are just setting themselves up for a fall. By not being clear and giving us scraps to fight over, they are pulling defeat from the jaws of victory

 

[Gardocki]

The Bilbao and Galatasaray stadiums are 53 and 52k respectively. Both would be ideal for us. The more I think about it, the more I think 55k should be the maximum to retain the atmosphere.

Lyon and Marseille games used to have great atmospheres in packed stadiums (for big games). The both extended to 60k and now look like they play in half empty grounds. Both clubs now often close some of the top tiers. Hope that doesn’t happen with us - and we won’t be getting anywhere near 60k for category 2 games or cup games.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Waiting lists are misleading. I'd imagine at least a third or so wouldn't be in a financial position to take one up if offered. The rs have significantly more than 7k on their list (they even charge the dolts to remain on it) and seem to be doubtful they could fill another 6k seats profitably.

The thing with the RS is they keep the number of season tickets down so more people have to pay the full price. They know they can do this so it's no problem to them, they just see the $$ at the end of the day.

As it works out cheaper to have a season ticket for someone who goes to the majority of games why wouldn't they want to get a season ticket, especially with it being interest free on tick nowadays. I would think twice handing over 500-700 quid in one go but spread across the year that would be enough for me to go for it.

 

[nsno-chris]

Maybe the penny dropped that the private sector financing isn’t as readily available as once thought

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Who talks like that? Trying to put down your fellow fans who want better for the club. Absolutely pathetic.

Says the bloke who decreed yesterday that basically any Blue who didn’t agree with him should be lobbed out of the club...somehow.....as him and his troupe of super Blues knew what was best for the club...

You hypocritical idiot

 

[devo85]

Why the Obsession with other teams stadium capacity? It must only be because of ego and nothing to do with design. What matters is what's best for EFC. The truth is nobody knows what the right capacity should be, but if the intention is to have a "crowd on top of the players" intimidating atmosphere, than the best way of achieving that is having a sold out ground every week.

So if the choice is, having the biggest or one of the biggest capacities, but with 5,000 empty seats every game or a lower capacity with a sold out baying crowd every home game I know which I would prefer.

Almost everyone agrees that steep stands and closeness to the pitch are design essentials to create the Intimidation factor. However that's only going to work if the ground is packed. If there are loads of empty seats it defeats the point of the stadium design.

Do posters on here advocating for 60,000, 62,000 or 65,000 capacity stadiums seriously think we will get that every home game and so fulfilling the stadiums design criteria? I'm not criticising I'm just asking the question. As a layperson and a blue for over 50 years, taking my rose tinted glasses off, I must admit I don't think so.

I may be wrong but my personal opinion would be to go for a 56,000 to 58,000 capacity stadium which would be packed out every home game with an incredible atmosphere and the worst place to visit by any away team.

 

[MickA]

yeah in the 1940's and 50's when there was nothing else to do, in 1985 when we won the league with probably the best team in our history we only had 2 attendances in the league of over 50k, the derby and the qpr game when we won the league, and if i remember rightly we got presented with the league championship trophy the following Wednesday night against West Ham with barely 31,000 in the ground. realistically that is where we are in terms of attendances, and before i finish ask yourself this, How many times would we have sold over 50,000 seats this season?

Your mistake here is not applying context and being incredibly insular. It wasn't just Evertonians within Liverpool in the 40s and 50s with 'nothing else to do' and likewise it wasn't just blue noses in the 80s who stopped attending matches. The facts are that until the period of stagnantion (I'm counting that as the quarter of a century in which the board have done the square root of #### all) EFC's attendance stack up against anybody.

Yes, all clubs had bigger attendances in the 40s, 50s and 60s but you know what? We had some of the biggest of them all and far more regualary than pretty much every other club. Our history is there to be assessed against our peers and it stands very proud.

It's sad that since 94 and the L1 standard Park End we've crushed any reality of increased attendances and allowed a new narrative to be set.