New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Is he on Mike Parry’s level though?

Let me mull that one over mate...

 

[GwladysBlue]

yeah in the 1940's and 50's when there was nothing else to do, in 1985 when we won the league with probably the best team in our history we only had 2 attendances in the league of over 50k, the derby and the qpr game when we won the league, and if i remember rightly we got presented with the league championship trophy the following Wednesday night against West Ham with barely 31,000 in the ground. realistically that is where we are in terms of attendances, and before i finish ask yourself this, How many times would we have sold over 50,000 seats this season?

We’ve attracted them crowds.

You mean the 80s that was a notoriously difficult time for the city whilst going through ‘managed decline’? Also, I’d like to see your statics for attendances across ALL clubs during that period in time. I wasn’t alive, but I know football hooliganism stopped many women and children going to the game.

Our attendances have been on the rise for the the past four seasons, selling out all home league games for the past two seasons. Ironically, this is the four seasons the fan base has felt very disillusioned with the club.

The state of some of you trying to put the club down and find reasons as to why we should fall behind the likes of City, Chelsea and Spurs. Call yourself Evertonians? Should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[davek]

A false democracy. It’s a pity that we only have the gutless ‘journalists’ at the Echo as a mouthpiece. Be a different story if it was Liverpool.

If it was Liverpool they'd be petrified of having their houses fire-bombed and make sure they got stuck into FSG, just as they did with Hicks and Gillett.

With Everton over this stadium they'll shove the idea of a sub-55,000 seater stadium down our throats like the lickspittle they are.

 

[degsy]

The voice of reason, at last.

Spot on.

The capacity of the stadium matters. Every single club who we want to be competing with in this league are building, or aiming to build, a stadium in the excess of 60,000. It won’t be ace if it is below that, it will be a clear indication that the board don’t think we belong in that bracket.

Great minds think alike...fools seldom differ

Moshiri is a billionaire singular, not a multi billionaire, like many he can put down a deposit but has to borrow the rest from the bank.
Who don't give a toss about 61878, just the fact that size X costs Y...which we can, hopefully, afford - but size X+10% actually costs Y+25%
These are the sort of calculations we all have to do, binman or billionaire...no matter what the fans or she who (thinks she) must be obeyed might want.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Great minds think alike...fools seldom differ

Moshiri is a billionaire singular, not a multi billionaire, like many he can put down a deposit but has to borrow the rest from the bank.
Who don't give a toss about 61878, just the fact that size X costs Y...which we can, hopefully, afford - but size X+10% actually costs Y+25%
These are the sort of calculations we all have to do, binman or billionaire...no matter what the fans or she who (thinks she) must be obeyed might want.

The same Moshiri who has continually said that we have no money worries whilst he is there? He's on record saying we threw in the asking prices bid, a rumoured £70m, for a defender.

Let's stick to what we've been told and not try and go off on our own tangents.

 

[The binman chronicles]

I’d cut capacity down to 20,000. Stop FIFA fan boys and people who whinge that our stadium isn’t gonna be big enough from getting in.

Yes that is sensible mate. There are cry asses on both extremes, you sir are one of them.

We don’t get 60k fans, it’s unlikely we ever will.

Stop being dead soft, dead soft.

Much better to have a boss location than to be able to brag to your City supporting pals about attendance figures

It's about having the ability to watch Everton play live and striking the right balance between not having a visibly below capacity crowd to the majority being able to get a ticket without having to pay 100's on stub hub. The second part is we have had a bigger stadium than Arsenal, Spurs, City, for most parts in our history yet we apparently are the only team that wouldn't fill a 60k stadium. Interesting... I think most people agree it doesn't have to be greater than those just in the same ball park, a few 1000 either way doesn't matter but it should be close enough to be thought of in the same light.

Wednesday night against West Ham with barely 31,000 in the ground. realistically that is where we are in terms of attendances

So we have regressed nearly 9000 than what we currently get week in week out?? We could go look at other clubs attendances and see the same thing but they have bigger stadia now. Why does this only apply to Everton?

 

[Davideeyore]

yeah in the 1940's and 50's when there was nothing else to do, in 1985 when we won the league with probably the best team in our history we only had 2 attendances in the league of over 50k, the derby and the qpr game when we won the league, and if i remember rightly we got presented with the league championship trophy the following Wednesday night against West Ham with barely 31,000 in the ground. realistically that is where we are in terms of attendances, and before i finish ask yourself this, How many times would we have sold over 50,000 seats this season?

If you know your history mate. There's a book just being talked about by Tony Evans about 85-86. My point about this is that that era attendances in football were precarious. It was political it was soccer hooliganism it was a low point in football. The PL era is a far cry from that image of football. It was when I started going the match early 84 with me dad we were at that West Ham game you mentioned. My dad was at the game with the record 78,299 attendance as it happens.

You're also missing the point about the capacity. Why should we be the only team that doesn't see a big rise in attendances when moving to a new stadium? That's not to say that every game will be maxed out but look around all of these clubs they build bigger the crowds come. Don't get why we should be any different and have a more conservative capacity actually we should be aiming for the best we can, to top a few teams to "make a statement".

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

I wish the club would just say a frickin number instead of everything being top secret

 

[GwladysBlue]

I wish the club would just say a frickin number instead of everything being top secret

Seems to me they want to drive a wedge between the fanbase first, just like they did with Kirkby.

Having Kenwright, Woods and Elstone acting as a 'safe pair of hands' for when Moshiri took the initial controlling stake has been an absolute nightmare. Their horrid small-time ways are still lingering around the club. It should have been a complete wipeout of the utter failures.

 

[degsy]

The same Moshiri who has continually said that we have no money worries whilst he is there? He's on record saying we threw in the asking prices bid, a rumoured £70m, for a defender.

Let's stick to what we've been told and not try and go off on our own tangents.

Or a rumoured tangent

 

[Davideeyore]

Why should any fans get a say in the design anyway? I know I'd be pissed off if I was a well respected architect at the top of my field and was being told what it has to look like from some randoms who feel like they need to be heard. It would end up like the car that Homer Simpson designs.

Dan Meis is clearly doing/done research, he did this by attending games, getting to know the area, the history and speaking to people. He's not gonna be significantly swayed in his design by someone telling him how many seats it's needs to have or some amateur designer vaguely telling him it needs to be iconic.

As for the capacity, I don't think some of you seem to realise how many people 10,000 actually is. As I've said before, it is currently just over 1/4 of our current total capacity. Its a lot. Its the equivalent of either the entire Gwladys street or Bullens Road being empty, or twice the amount of people in the park end. And we are saying we need double that on top of what we have? The ground would be empty every other week.

But at least we'd be guaranteed to get all the FA Cup Semi finals or England International games aye....

Oh wait...

I wanted to shut up but couldn't not comment agree with your first point but then Meis has built a variety of big stadiums and smaller ones (IE Roma) he's being directed by the club isn't he?
But the arguement about Goodison you make let's look at it another way it's capped at under 40K; how many do you think we'd get right now (in this sorry season at the same obstructed view ground) IF it was say a 55,000 capacity?
I'd say it would be full!

 

[degsy]

It’s going to be interesting to see the type of fan that gets invited to these workshops with Dan Meis. I’m sure some research is going into carefully cherrypicking the fans they feel will fall in line with the club’s views on moving to BMD.

On this we agree.

 

[blueblue]

Hand picked mate, and any critics who do get through will be marginalised and ignored.

Those workshop events need to be by-passed IMO. You'll get no joy from that.

The club have to be served a massive shot across the bow by fans flooding them with objections.

Are you saying they are caged lions Dave ?

 

[The binman chronicles]

If you know your history mate. There's a book just being talked about by Tony Evans about 85-86. My point about this is that that era attendances in football were precarious. It was political it was soccer hooliganism it was a low point in football. The PL era is a far cry from that image of football. It was when I started going the match early 84 with me dad we were at that West Ham game you mentioned. My dad was at the game with the record 78,299 attendance as it happens.

You're also missing the point about the capacity. Why should we be the only team that doesn't see a big rise in attendances when moving to a new stadium? That's not to say that every game will be maxed out but look around all of these clubs they build bigger the crowds come. Don't get why we should be any different and have a more conservative capacity actually we should be aiming for the best we can, to top a few teams to "make a statement".

Despite being a time of great hardship for the city wasn't the attendance figures fudged during the 80's for some reason, where there were clearly more in the stadium than the official given out one?

 

[blueblue]

Why should any fans get a say in the design anyway? I know I'd be pissed off if I was a well respected architect at the top of my field and was being told what it has to look like from some randoms who feel like they need to be heard. It would end up like the car that Homer Simpson designs.

Dan Meis is clearly doing/done research, he did this by attending games, getting to know the area, the history and speaking to people. He's not gonna be significantly swayed in his design by someone telling him how many seats it's needs to have or some amateur designer vaguely telling him it needs to be iconic.

As for the capacity, I don't think some of you seem to realise how many people 10,000 actually is. As I've said before, it is currently just over 1/4 of our current total capacity. Its a lot. Its the equivalent of either the entire Gwladys street or Bullens Road being empty, or twice the amount of people in the park end. And we are saying we need double that on top of what we have? The ground would be empty every other week.

But at least we'd be guaranteed to get all the FA Cup Semi finals or England International games aye....

Oh wait...

Can you imagine what it would like if designed by the fans. Iconic is not a word that would be used to describe it.... ironic , maybe.
That those who think they know so much, actually know so little.