New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Lee Smith]

I want the stadium to be distinctive and nothing like Big Stand FC's (Big Stand and Malaysian Stir Fry)... I want 4 stands (or sections of a whole) called Dean, Catterick, Kendall (as in DoCK to reflect the location as well) and Ball.

D.ean
O.sman
C.atterick
K.endall

 

[roydo]

Yeah I would hate to have a stadium lacking atmosphere -

Old Trafford God that lack of atmosphere has killed their trophy cabinet

Emirates - Arsenal lucky to have won 3 cups in 5 years

Analfield - done nothing getting opposition teams to not turn up there

Meanwhile fortress Goodison, the Britannia, Upton Park etc. Have won us, Stoke and West Ham loads of pots lately oh wait...

Thats the point, that I dont think you even meant to make.

Its (atmosphere to points ratio) largely irrelevant.

The ground needs to be built. It will be. It will be our home for decades. We will have crap sides to watch, and ace ones to watch. But it should be a ground that is built for Everton.

The commercial stuff that follows will give us a boost in the pocket. Thats it. No guarantees.

 

[paulbefc]

We build a 60k ground, do people suddenly think it's gonna be Jan packed with blues creating a boss and intimidating effect.

It won't, 5-10k of those tickets will be bought but empty most weeks and only occupied for big games, the extra away seats will be empty for about a dozen aways per year, and we will have a shockingly empty looking stadium for most cup or European games.

I don't think enough thought is being devoted to these issues.

 

[Boss_Rarkley]

Thats the point, that I dont think you even meant to make.

Its (atmosphere to points ratio) largely irrelevant.

The ground needs to be built. It will be. It will be our home for decades. We will have crap sides to watch, and ace ones to watch. But it should be a ground that is built for Everton.

The commercial stuff that follows will give us a boost in the pocket. Thats it. No guarantees.

I just dont buy the argument about atmosphere mate, atmosphere doesnt win you points yet our fanbase have been hoodwinked into thinking this 4 sided steep square stadium creating an 'intimidating' atmosphere gives us some kind of advantage over other teams.

Our home atmosphere in recent seasons has been poor anyway so the argument doesnt stack up with me.

 

[roydo]

I don't think enough thought is being devoted to these issues.

I agree. It should be a custom built place, for us. That isnt small time. That isnt lack of ambition. Its reality.

I could not care less how many fools go to the pit, and this forum has had plenty of Arsenal, United, and City old school fans bemoaning the state of their "match day experience" over the years. I am sure plenty of local RS would admit the same.

 

[bluestevon]

What’s Dortmund’s?

They don’t suffer.

Dortmunds is i think around 65k for europe and 80k for Bundesliga - but think about it, they have one other club within 80 miles of them, Schalke, there is a reason they can get 80k crowds for games, they also have the entire Dortmund region as the only top flight club.

Meanwhile Everton, second club support wise in the city (certainly from a country wide perspective), within 55 miles, they have Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Stoke, Huddersfield and Burnley currently, 'historically) you also have all the Yorskire teams such as Sheff Weds, Utd, Leeds, Blackburn and numerous other sides which have decent support due to their clubs past.

Looking at the German model is a bad way to try to view what we can do, and looking at German fans as a model is wrong, because simply put no ground regardless of it's size can come close to matching the German games atmosphere and they won't any-time soon, the German model of ownership actually connects the fans to the club and its why RB Leipzig are hated, the premiership model is to seperate fans from the game, no 70k ground will change that it will just make it easier.

Juve new stadium - 41-42k - there old one i think had close to 70k
Roma new stadium - desinged by Meiss is gonna be 55k - they are moving from the Olympic which has about 70-75k atm
Portos - 50k (their prior one was 55k)

 

[davek]

I don’t as I can’t see us recycling an old design that was unpopular with fans on another stadium project.

If they did do that then what would be the point in engaging Meis and his team to design a stadium at great expense.

It was actually voted for by 60% of those entitled to vote!

 

[bluestevon]

Yeah I would hate to have a stadium lacking atmosphere -

Old Trafford God that lack of atmosphere has killed their trophy cabinet

Emirates - Arsenal lucky to have won 3 cups in 5 years

Analfield - done nothing getting opposition teams to not turn up there

Meanwhile fortress Goodison, the Britannia, Upton Park etc. Have won us, Stoke and West Ham loads of pots lately oh wait...

and why do you think a ground size actually effects chances of winning anything at all mate, it doesn't.

Arsenal post move - much more success, City got taken over by a royal family - they'd have won the same at least in a falling down maine road as they have done since moving with that money behind them

 

[jinkyali]

I agree. It should be a custom built place, for us. That isnt small time. That isnt lack of ambition. Its reality.

I could not care less how many fools go to the pit, and this forum has had plenty of Arsenal, United, and City old school fans bemoaning the state of their "match day experience" over the years. I am sure plenty of local RS would admit the same.

But if the commercials aren’t right then we will never catch up. Irrespective of if we have a unique ground.

 

[Brisan123]

Dortmunds is i think around 65k for europe and 80k for Bundesliga - but think about it, they have one other club within 80 miles of them, Schalke, there is a reason they can get 80k crowds for games, they also have the entire Dortmund region as the only top flight club.

Meanwhile Everton, second club support wise in the city (certainly from a country wide perspective), within 55 miles, they have Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Stoke, Huddersfield and Burnley currently, 'historically) you also have all the Yorskire teams such as Sheff Weds, Utd, Leeds, Blackburn and numerous other sides which have decent support due to their clubs past.

Looking at the German model is a bad way to try to view what we can do, and looking at German fans as a model is wrong, because simply put no ground regardless of it's size can come close to matching the German games atmosphere and they won't any-time soon, the German model of ownership actually connects the fans to the club and its why RB Leipzig are hated, the premiership model is to seperate fans from the game, no 70k ground will change that it will just make it easier.

Juve new stadium - 41-42k - there old one i think had close to 70k
Roma new stadium - desinged by Meiss is gonna be 55k - they are moving from the Olympic which has about 70-75k atm
Portos - 50k (their prior one was 55k)

Add in the fact that ticket prices are well within the price range of the average working class man / woman

 

[Ruairi77]

Does safe standing increase capacity?
If so, there could be a school of thought that the capacity could be low with the idea that it would increase with the inevitable introduction of safe standing

 

[bluestevon]

I don't think enough thought is being devoted to these issues.

It's the bigger is better mate

same as we thought - we spend 200m on 10 players we will be boss again

Been to a lot of grounds, and i'd rather we played in a stadium like Portos with 55k than one like Wembley for example, id rather the juve stadium than the etihad.

 

[bluestevon]

Does safe standing increase capacity?
If so, there could be a school of thought that the capacity could be low with the idea that it would increase with the inevitable introduction of safe standing

Nope rail seating/safe standing and seating pretty much is the same capacity per metre

 

[roydo]

But if the commercials aren’t right then we will never catch up. Irrespective of if we have a unique ground.

We aint catching up with City any time soon mate. Spurs/Arsenal/RS, should be on the radar. United/Chesea. Come on.

 

[bluestevon]

Add in the fact that ticket prices are well within the price range of the average working class man / woman

Yup, IF we where gonna get a 70k stadium with half those tickets priced at 10 quid for anyone under 25, i'd be bouncing for that to go ahead, but we won't and if anything the prices would rise because it's new and shiny etc

Stick the two most successful clubs in the country within 25 miles of Dortmund, add in a German version of Man City and then charge 40-50 quid a ticket per game and wonder how many fans Dortmund would be getting in there 80k stadium, my guess is a lot lot less..