New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[mickefc]

Just looked and the premium league are saying after 13 home games we average 48,234 my response regarding this was the idea put forward which might be correct if all I know that the people who don’t renew there are 25k waiting to snap the seats up

Id be surprised if even a 10th of that 25k would be willing to part with the best part of a grand when they can't be assed paying around 60/70 quid for one off games now when the stadiums a few months old

 

[nevsonlymate]

Where is that figure quoted? Seems l.net

World football.net it actually states

Where is that figure quoted? Seems low.

Where is that figure quoted? Seems low.

world football.net don’t now how reliable it is and it’s actually lest than I wrote

 

[nevsonlymate]

Where is that figure quoted? Seems low.

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[MACCA75]

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As far as I can see we haven’t announced an official attendance under 50k in the league.

 

[nevsonlymate]

As far as I can see we haven’t announced an official attendance under 50k in the league.

wiki says over 52k average another site list 7 out of 12 league games over 52k and 5 under no figure logged for Bournemouth in but with them not selling the top tier I doubt we got over 52 .

 

[nevsonlymate]

As far as I can see we haven’t announced an official attendance under 50k in the league.

Again what I was responding to was a comment about 25k people waiting to take over season tickets that people won’t renew next year ,are the figures logged as what’s been sold but not attended just looking around the Bournemouth game and I know it was a evening kick off in crap weather but there were a lot of empty seats in the South stand and from both sides that I could see this is what happens when the games crap I start people watching

 

[MACCA75]

Again what I was responding to was a comment about 25k people waiting to take over season tickets that people won’t renew next year ,are the figures logged as what’s been sold but not attended just looking around the Bournemouth game and I know it was a evening kick off in crap weather but there were a lot of empty seats in the South stand and from both sides that I could see this is what happens when the games crap I start people watching

I think officially attendance average is around 52k - but yeah, definitely less than that in the ground.

 

[SJB]

Let's have it right - loads of STH's have had it too good for too long. They bought tickets with the intention of only going to the games that suited them and stuck anything they couldn't be bothered with on the resale site knowing it'd be snapped up. Now that we have a stadium with higher capacity those fair weather fans who like to paint themselves as the lifeblood of our club are struggling to shift their seats for the more unfashionslble fixtures, and they'll blame anyone but themselves.

The most entitled, self serving set of blues you could ever encounter.

 

[mickefc]

Let's have it right - loads of STH's have had it too good for too long. They bought tickets with the intention of only going to the games that suited them and stuck anything they couldn't be bothered with on the resale site knowing it'd be snapped up. Now that we have a stadium with higher capacity those fair weather fans who like to paint themselves as the lifeblood of our club are struggling to shift their seats for the more unfashionslble fixtures, and they'll blame anyone but themselves.

The most entitled, self serving set of blues you could ever encounter.

Someones a half assed blue who hasnt got a season ticket and followed the club through thick and thin, jumping on the new ground bandwagon

 

[SingBlue]

You would think the club would be making some representation on behalf of fans about the number of midweek evening fixtures. Yes I am aware that TV has the say but that does not mean our needs should not be considered..

The club will take the extra money from TV matches all day. STs are sold after all. Years ago Sky used to guarantee 10 live appearances, and it was around £1.2m per game for the "Facility Fee". Man U, RS etc. were all at least 25-30 games live. Sometimes the less attractive teams didn't get to the 10 live appearances (but still got paid the £12m for 10 games). It used to be the difference in broadcast money between the Champions and the bottom team was about £30m. I'm sure it's a lot more these days.

The international markets get all 380 games live, and currently the revenue is split equally between all 20 clubs. The usual Red suspects are trying to change that, based on some arbitrary measure of international popularity. So far they haven't got the 14 votes they need to carry it through, but they are not going to stop trying to change the finances to suit them. God forbid if the EPL ends up like in Spain, where the clubs negotiate their own broadcast deals - so (at least as of a few years back) - Real Madrid and Barcelona earn 22 x the others from TV.

The EPL has been gradually increasing the number of broadcast matchs. There's only so much availability to show them at the weekends... so yeah, you get the "new Friday night game" as of a couple of years back - like it's a good thing.

TL/DR - 1st season at Bramley Moore - lots of TV appearances. If we're crap in future seasons, we'll be back towards the minimum of live appearances. If we ever get good / successful, we'll get more TV appearances. Sucks, doesn't it!

 

[Sweeneytoad]

That 25k waiting list will start to fall off too. I'm willing to bet that most on that list will now have experienced the new stadium and going forward would much rather be happy to pick the occasional game to go to, and get one on the re-sale occasionally. Rather than forking out £1000 a year, when a 3PM Saturday match has become a thing of the past.

That waiting list would have shot up during the fanfare and the excitement of a new ground around the corner, now that the novelty has worn off, and the fans are an afterthought, lets see what really happens.

 

[daza_1973]

Will end up like city - giving out thousands of freebies to schools to fill the gaps. The school I work at get loads offered to them and I even went to the Newcastle semi the other week Full of groups of uninterested kids on trips everywhere such a plastic experience.

 

[MerseySamurai]

I think it will change / upgrade along the way. Wouldn't be surprised if we did some work during the summer.

I agree with the interior, it looks bland and cheap.

It's an easy fix and I expect not too expensive. Though I'm sure we are doing some changes anyway. Like new toilets etc

It’s not happening anytime soon, the decision not to have any identification of ‘EFC’ or ‘Everton’ or ‘1878’ inside the bowl is a commercial decision.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Let's have it right - loads of STH's have had it too good for too long. They bought tickets with the intention of only going to the games that suited them and stuck anything they couldn't be bothered with on the resale site knowing it'd be snapped up. Now that we have a stadium with higher capacity those fair weather fans who like to paint themselves as the lifeblood of our club are struggling to shift their seats for the more unfashionslble fixtures, and they'll blame anyone but themselves.

The most entitled, self serving set of blues you could ever encounter.

You mean the people who have put their money where their mouth is for years/decades, when so many couldn't be bothered going, because "Everton don't come and see you when you're bad".....?

Perhaps the more pertinent question should be: where are all those wannabe ST holders on the waiting lists, when thousands of tickets are either on general sale or resale and going to waste?

Furthermore, does this suggest that the waiting lists are a sham (or a scam)? Or is the whole digital tkt transfer/resale process too complicated and/or prices too high...? Or a combination?

The fact is, the waiting lists evolved over several years, largely when tkt prices were much lower. They also grew in an era of a smaller capacity in a stadium with many obstructed views, and in eager anticipation of the new stadium. However, that isn't the case now, there isn't limitless price-elasticity-of-demand in our fanbase and £60-70, plus a membership fee for a matchday tkt, is probably beyond that limit for the bulk of our non ST holders. We haven't got an endless amount of latent support, or out-of-towners desperate to come and watch us a few times per season.

The club now have American owners. They generally love to squeeze their asset to the max, especially when hoping to fully exploit any "new stadium effect." The point is, at these prices, with some transport issues disenfranchising the less mobile and still needing to be resolved, and with this quality of football (at least marginally better than the previous 5+ seasons), we may already be at or near those limits. We don't yet have those masses of empty seats that we've seen at the Etihad or London stadium for years.... but the owners should be conscious of where they are on those supply/demand curves. They also need a good surplus of demand to fully exploit corporate and corporate-lite packages and for "Seat Unique" sales to work. Quite a few jumped the waiting lists by opting for the corporate tkts. Empty general admission seats, might make some of those corporate packages look a lot less attractive going forward. If they're not careful the bubble will burst and more people could walk away, the waiting lists will vanish overnight and the whole pricing structure will collapse.

 

[davek]

I've said this before on demand/prices:

Everton's core areas for season ticket holders as set out in the PA for BMD + the census information from 2021 for Liverpool underlines that we have our core support in wards (and wards in outlying districts) where there's way over 50% economic inactivity in the population (almost 2/3rds in some wards).

You cant get passed those figures. In the starkest of terms: we have a relatively poor fanbase. That doesn't sit too well with the plans of owners and their stadium management company they hired to sweat this facility.

If you put that together with the shake out of older/infirm fans shut out of the new experience because of transportation woes then this will be social engineering we cant afford to see.