New Everton Stadium Discussion


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That relocation of fish might be tricky...

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is there a case that newer builds are now factoring safe standing at greater than 1:1 also? Comparing to new grounds built specifically for seating or 1:1 only may not be as valid as we think. Our build is 52,888 but by opening it could easily be 58k without changing anything.

Absolutely. The site itself is a constraint. There is a link between amount of people and concourse/facility provision, concourse provision is more of a constraint than available seats. For example, at Goodison, with todays regulations, even if you stripped out every seat in the ground, you could not increase the capacity by a single person. BMD has been designed to hold a larger number of people than there is seats, the concourses and facilities can service more fans. This is not an accident, it is by design. People want the atmosphere of a Goodison Park under the lights, like it was against Fiorentina. What if, by reducing available seats, installing rail seating and gambling on a ratio of approximately 1.8 being allowed, they could deliver Bayern. I have used the example before, but with Spurs, they have maxed out on capacity by finding the balance between available concourse and available seats. If they installed rail seating in place of every seat, their capacity will remain the same, same at Anfield, same at Old Trafford. Ours can increase, we can be closer, more vocal, more intimidating that it is when all seated and get more people in, potentially increasing capacity to the 60k+ that the concourses have been designed for.
 
The capacity is not even the main reason we are moving. Its almost irrelivant.

The attraction is the whole project and how attractive that all is to investers and sponsorship.

It's not the main reason, the main reason is Goodison is dated. But it's a load of reasons. Increasing capacity just one but it provides more opportunities. Bigger match day income, opportunity to accommodate more supporters existing fan base and new fan base or tourists. More corporate spaces. Opportunities to hold big games such as European finals. Seems to be lost on a few of you that the 52k is a bit low. About the same as Newcastle.
 

Just a quick response, that's not the point I was making. We will have to face an increase in ticket prices, I'm sure. But to have a balance so to keep a proportion of the ticket prices down, a bigger capacity/matchday attendance will generate more matchday income. To offset the lower prices. It will be harder to do this with 52k compared to say 60k.

Any comparison with any other club can have pros and cons. We can't compare to London clubs, we can't compare to Liverpool or United, for their world wide fan base, or City because of their recent success. To me they're all clubs that Everton should be seen as equal to but if the club and some fans think we're no longer a top club and can't compete at their level where we were not too long ago, then of course we'll settle for a less ambitious capacity.
Your last line maybe a bit of an apples Vs oranges argument.
But
We need a new ground
But above all we need to start being successful - long term successful
A new ground is just step 1 (or is it 2 or 3) - well its 1 step.
Allocate any step number you like number to Moshiri, Ancelotti, New Ground.
4 & 5 might be a Trophy or CL
 
Absolutely. The site itself is a constraint. There is a link between amount of people and concourse/facility provision, concourse provision is more of a constraint than available seats. For example, at Goodison, with todays regulations, even if you stripped out every seat in the ground, you could not increase the capacity by a single person. BMD has been designed to hold a larger number of people than there is seats, the concourses and facilities can service more fans. This is not an accident, it is by design. People want the atmosphere of a Goodison Park under the lights, like it was against Fiorentina. What if, by reducing available seats, installing rail seating and gambling on a ratio of approximately 1.8 being allowed, they could deliver Bayern. I have used the example before, but with Spurs, they have maxed out on capacity by finding the balance between available concourse and available seats. If they installed rail seating in place of every seat, their capacity will remain the same, same at Anfield, same at Old Trafford. Ours can increase, we can be closer, more vocal, more intimidating that it is when all seated and get more people in, potentially increasing capacity to the 60k+ that the concourses have been designed for.

Good post, though I thought BMD site was a fair bit bigger than the Goodison footprint.
 
It's not the main reason, the main reason is Goodison is dated. But it's a load of reasons. Increasing capacity just one but it provides more opportunities. Bigger match day income, opportunity to accommodate more supporters existing fan base and new fan base or tourists. More corporate spaces. Opportunities to hold big games such as European finals. Seems to be lost on a few of you that the 52k is a bit low. About the same as Newcastle.
For someone who's not bothered about other clubs, you don't half talk about them a lot.
 


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