Naismith's Barkley Warning

[Southern Yankee toffee]

Martinez has achieved something: he took a backwater club like Swansea and gave them a new identity and impetus to get to the big time; and then he won the first major trophy in another club's history, and then got us our record PL points total dragging us kicking and screaming back to being a proper football club again. I think he's defo earned the right to look Barkley in the eye and tell him what's what. Naismith on the other hand has achieved the square root of precisely **** all...and please dont throw in the Buckfast Scottish PL titles he's won as a counter argument.

Best post in a long time in this forum. Spot on about Naismith, he is a good player who completely changed a lot out our opinions after a rough start after injuries and playing on the wing. However, he should worry more about making good passes in the final third than the way the media portrays a teammate. Especially if the portrail is positive.

 

[bizzaro]

This is ace this.

I imagine Dave having a nightmare that Naismith got a new contract, only to wake up and go "phew!"

Struggling to get back to sleep he has a late night nosey at GOT....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Oh @davek . You got it so wrong about Naismith.

 

[bizzaro]

If you want a perfect example of ringcraft then you only have to study @davek and his movement on this thread. He's effortlessly switching between boxing on the inside and outside. Such natural foot movement.

This shiz should be viral on YouTube. Its perfection.

Mate. He's had his kecks pulled down in front of everyone then. To hide his embarrassment he's gone all loony tunes.

Alot of people are chortling now at his squirming.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Best post in a long time in this forum. Spot on about Naismith, he is a good player who completely changed a lot out our opinions after a rough start after injuries and playing on the wing. However, he should worry more about making good passes in the final third than the way the media portrays a teammate. Especially if the portrail is positive.

Wrong. He has every right to support a team mate in response to questions from the media. There is not a meritocracy league table in football which decrees who can make comment about who, and who can't. Tell you what, lets have games played in complete silence with no vocal support or criticism from the crowd, because its unlikely that many of the 40000 odd present are better footballers than Barkley, Naismith, Osman or even Dan Goslng. Its probable also, that Naismiths comments, which were supportive of Barkley, were approved by the club in advance of release.Dave has a particular agenda against the tide of support for Naismith by Evertonians, and most people on this forum are well aware of this. He's entitled to his opinion, and is allowed to be as mischievious as anyone , but he knows more than anyone that if you p*** against the wind often enough, you'll occasionally get very wet.

 

[vagant59]

Wrong. He has every right to support a team mate in response to questions from the media. There is not a meritocracy league table in football which decrees who can make comment about who, and who can't. Tell you what, lets have games played in complete silence with no vocal support or criticism from the crowd, because its unlikely that many of the 40000 odd present are better footballers than Barkley, Naismith, Osman or even Dan Goslng. Its probable also, that Naismiths comments, which were supportive of Barkley, were approved by the club in advance of release.Dave has a particular agenda against the tide of support for Naismith by Evertonians, and most people on this forum are well aware of this. He's entitled to his opinion, and is allowed to be as mischievious as anyone , but he knows more than anyone that if you p*** against the wind often enough, you'll occasionally get very wet.

Dave best get some oil skins and a mattress protector

 

[Space Cowboy]

After the media [Poor language removed] storm Nais has apparently retracted his comments, I quote: '' Sorry, as an inferior being (confirmed by OPTA pass completion stats) I am unworthy to comment on the young princes foibles. I don't have a dub fade and he is also 5 inches taller than me. The only thing I can do better than Ross on a football field is infuriate davek''.

Pls don't sue me for libel.

 

[steken1]

The figures dont back that up at all. He's not close to being most wasteful.

You and I both know that since Phil Neville had a 95%+ pass completion rate you can't go off stats alone. Playing a through ball, a 1-2 or long ball(pass if your names Allardyce) is riskier than other passes. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try. That incisive style of play is the only way to unlock sides. Naismith takes more risks than most.

 

[davek]

You and I both know that since Phil Neville had a 95%+ pass completion rate you can't go off stats alone. Playing a through ball, a 1-2 or long ball(pass if your names Allardyce) is riskier than other passes. It doesn't mean we shouldn't try. That incisive style of play is the only way to unlock sides. Naismith takes more risks than most.

The bulk of Naismith's passes are short and he has a very high ratio of unsuccessful passes. It's a chronic aspect of his game that needs a lot of working on. Making just three out of every four passes on average is shocking.

And what you're saying in defence of Naismith (risk is worth it) is exactly the opposite to what Naismith is cautioning Barkley to do - take less risk.

 

[steken1]

The bulk of Naismith's passes are short and he has a very high ratio of unsuccessful passes. It's a chronic aspect of his game that needs a lot of working on. Making just three out of every four passes on average is shocking.

And what you're saying in defence of Naismith (risk is worth it) is exactly the opposite to what Naismith is cautioning Barkley to do - take less risk.

Not when you're passing it through people around the edge of the area it isn't. I agree that his touch isn't the greatest and he wastes a few passes more than I'd like, btw.

But, I didn't read it at all like you. I read him telling the fans that Ross will waste a few and they shouldn't get on his back for it. Common sense really as it's exactly what happens with young players. Half the RS are on their wonderkids back because they expect too much, too soon.

 

[bluemangroup]

The bulk of Naismith's passes are short and he has a very high ratio of unsuccessful passes. It's a chronic aspect of his game that needs a lot of working on. Making just three out of every four passes on average is shocking.

And what you're saying in defence of Naismith (risk is worth it) is exactly the opposite to what Naismith is cautioning Barkley to do - take less risk.

No it's not. He's saying his game can be erratic at times and there have been times Barkley has been guilty of overplaying in the wrong areas. Villa springs to mind. He's merely saying to fans that it would be best to be patient while we wait for Barkley to iron out the mistakes a bit more as he matures.

 

[davek]

Not when you're passing it through people around the edge of the area it isn't. I agree that his touch isn't the greatest and he wastes a few passes more than I'd like, btw.
But, I didn't read it at all like you. I read him telling the fans that Ross will waste a few and they shouldn't get on his back for it. Common sense really as it's exactly what happens with young players. Half the RS are on their wonderkids back because they expect too much, too soon.

I dont think he needs that protection. It's not as if he's been hounded.

Maybe he should wade in instead on behalf of McGeady? Or maybe that wouldn't raise the same amount of headlines.

 

[bluemangroup]

You've gone right cynical recently @davek

 

[davek]

No it's not. He's saying his game can be erratic at times and there have been times Barkley has been guilty of overplaying in the wrong areas. Villa springs to mind. He's merely saying to fans that it would be best to be patient while we wait for Barkley to iron out the mistakes a bit more as he matures.

That's not the correct reading of it at all: "He needs to learn the times when he does go forward and do his bit and the times to keep it simple...You have to keep reminding him"

How is that not advice to become risk averse?

Naismith hasn't got the game to do what RB does, he cant comprehend it, because he doesn't know what it is to have the potential to do what the lad does. The last thing we want is some journeyman pro handing out advice that will blunt the edge of one of the few class players we have.

Let's face it anyway: Naismith was pulling the arl arse trick on a younger member of the team to set himself up as some sage who's essential to the club. He's very far from being that.

 

[bluemangroup]

That's not the correct reading of it at all: "He needs to learn the times when he does go forward and do his bit and the times to keep it simple...You have to keep reminding him"

How is that not advice to become risk averse?

Naismith hasn't got the game to do what RB does, he cant comprehend it, because he doesn't know what it is to have the potential to do what the lad does. The last thing we want is some journeyman pro handing out advice that will blunt the edge of one of the few class players we have.

Let's face it anyway: Naismith was pulling the arl arse trick on a younger member of the team to set himself up as some sage who's essential to the club. He's very far from being that.

Yeah because raw talent means nobody can comprehend the way you play? It's about refining Barkleys game and stop him trying to skin people in dangerous positions and choosing the right times to drive forward.

 

[TraffordBlue]

Oh I give him credit. It took me a long time to get past the harrowing experience of his early Everton career performances, but I do recognise that he's earned the right to come into this first team and play his part - because of his combativity mostly.

But that doesn't make him in my eyes a player who can dole out that type of advice to team mates. If it'd have come from Barry or Eto'o I'd have thought nothing of it, because they have earned the right in their careers to take such an overview of other player's games. Naismith has done **** all.

If I was Barkley I'd laugh in his face and tell him to swing it.

lol

Can see where you're coming from as I felt the same at the time. He was one of the worst players i've seen pull on the shirt, but that was in part down to him being played out of position which was Moyes' fault.

However, I can't agree at all about the rest of your comments. There are appropriate ways to handle talents like Barkley. For me the right way is exactly what Martinez has done in allowing him to take risks and give him license to try and run at players etc. Having said that, there is always room for improvement for certain players and Naismith is spot on with what he's said. Barkley will learn that there are times when it's acceptable to try it all himself and times when there are not. It's similar to this passing round at the back bollocks that we do a lot of the time. Martinez may tell them to play that way, but there are times when Jagielka etc will ignore that and get rid which is what is needed at the time.

Barkley has exceptional talent. far more than Naismith will ever have. But that doesn't mean Naismith doesn't have experience to comment on players like him. There is barely anything worse as a player to have a team mate who is trying too much and losing possession constantly which Barkley has been prone to do in the past. Naismith is well within his rights to offer some good advice to Barkley which he has done so I don't see a problem at all.

The way to not go about is is the way Hodgson did it in the friendly which was indefensible in my eyes,