Moyes to sign new 3yr deal

[Goat]

/walks in


/runs out

 

[paulbefc]

They won't need to be as good in the transfer market as Moyes was though because they'll be inheriting a much better side.

That's a pretty short-sighted view, surely? Moyes has had to be pretty brilliant in the transfer market just to tread water these past few seasons. The type of football we're playing now is sustainable because Moyes can keep bringing in Jelavic's and Gibson's for a few million a transfer window, replacing £15m players with quality replacements for a fraction of the price.

A manager who doesn't use the money as efficiently will oversee a gradual (at best) decline in the quality of his side. (We've had a negative net spend the last few years haven't we? The only money we spend is invariably taken from the fees of bargain buys from the manager himself) This will result in more spankings in derbies and early cup exits, thus negating any positive in the change in personnel in the first place. That's what I worry will happen anyway. Are there any other teams with a negative spend over several years in this league? Where are they in the table, if so?

 

[Allezfan]

That's a pretty short-sighted view, surely? Moyes has had to be pretty brilliant in the transfer market just to tread water these past few seasons. The type of football we're playing now is sustainable because Moyes can keep bringing in Jelavic's and Gibson's for a few million a transfer window, replacing £15m players with quality replacements for a fraction of the price.

A manager who doesn't use the money as efficiently will oversee a gradual (at best) decline in the quality of his side. (We've had a negative net spend the last few years haven't we? The only money we spend is invariably taken from the fees of bargain buys from the manager himself) This will result in more spankings in derbies and early cup exits, thus negating any positive in the change in personnel in the first place. That's what I worry will happen anyway. Are there any other teams with a negative spend over several years in this league? Where are they in the table, if so?

They finished 3rd last year.

 

[paulbefc]

They finished 3rd and 2nd last year.

And why is that? Wouldn't have anything to do with the 2nd longest serving manager in the league would it?

Yeah, to kick on, all we need is to find another Wenger. Should be simple enough...

 

[Allezfan]

And why is that? Wouldn't have anything to do with the 2nd longest serving manager in the league would it?

Yeah it would. Wenger does well with generating funds through player sales and bringing through talented young players.

It's a good skill for a manager to has. And it's a skill that pretty much every manager who works for a club in say holland or south america or portugal where the big stars get sold every year to the big leagues has to develop.

 

[electricblue]

Anyone that dreads the day Moyes leaves needs their f*cking head checking.

Won [Poor language removed] all in ten years and he's on an astronomical wage, how those two make any business sense is beyond me.

Anyone that doesn't realise the strides forward this club has made under Moyes and where we would have been without him needs their f*cking head checking.

 

[paulbefc]

Yeah it would. Wenger does well with generating funds through player sales and bringing through talented young players.

It's a good skill for a manager to has. And it's a skill that pretty much every manager who works for a club in say holland or south america or portugal where the big stars get sold every year to the big leagues has to develop.

It suggests that for a club with a negative net spend, you need a Wenger to get you regular CL football. And he hasn't won anything in 8 years.

 

[Allezfan]

Anyone that doesn't realise the strides forward this club has made under Moyes and where we would have been without him needs their f*cking head checking.

Nobody knows where we would be without him. You're guessing.

 

[Allezfan]

It suggests that for a club with a negative net spend, you need a Wenger to get you regular CL football. And he hasn't won anything in 8 years.

Who said anything about CL football? I'm saying that Moyes leaving probably won't lead to us being in league one like some people would have you believe.

 

[electricblue]

Nobody knows where we would be without him. You're guessing.

I'm guessing still in the bottom half of the PL, like we were when he joined.

 

[tasslehoff]

31 year deal and i would be happy x

 

[bluebottle]

It's all hypothetical from whatever viewpoint anyway. Why has this been raised again anyway? We are doing well enough under our current manager to not really look elsewhere and Moyes contract will either be sorted or not. Non-issue for the time being.

 

[paulbefc]

Who said anything about CL football? I'm saying that Moyes leaving probably won't lead to us being in league one like some people would have you believe.

It almost surely won't, no. But it's more likely that the squad will decline in quality as, even if we secure top 6 finishes, we won't have money to spend. That doesn't bode well for the long run. If we were to go with someone who ends up being wasteful in the transfer market, what's the limit on the damage that could do to our squad? It was alright for the RS with Kenny, you can only do so badly after spending £100m, but if we drop the ball for a second and waste our £10-15m from the sale of a Fellaini or Baines, we're utterly f*cked for that next season at least, you would think.

Basically, we need a manager who can be really efficient in the transfer market AND who is superior to Moyes in the other aspects of management. i.e. a Wenger type manager. That's why I think the odds are against us in a big way of finding him.

 

[Elong]

Anyone that doesn't realise the strides forward this club has made under Moyes and where we would have been without him needs their f*cking head checking.

No one is denying what he has done. Living in the past isn't helping anyone's cause though.

 

[Allezfan]

It almost surely won't, no. But it's more likely that the squad will decline in quality as, even if we secure top 6 finishes, we won't have money to spend. That doesn't bode well for the long run. If we were to go with someone who ends up being wasteful in the transfer market, what's the limit on the damage that could do to our squad? It was alright for the RS with Kenny, you can only do so badly after spending £100m, but if we drop the ball for a second and waste our £10-15m from the sale of a Fellaini or Baines, we're utterly f*cked for that next season at least, you would think.

Basically, we need a manager who can be really efficient in the transfer market AND who is superior to Moyes in the other aspects of management. i.e. a Wenger type manager. That's why I think the odds are against us in a big way of finding him.

Wenger was managing in Japan, Ferguson in Scotland, Moyes in the lower leagues. The odds might be against us but there are good managers out there who would love a chance to come to an english premier league club for the prestige and the wages and the exposure and the quality of the players.

If Moyes decides not to renew his contract, there's no reason for it to be disastrous as long as the board hire the right replacement. And I believe that there are both better and worse managers than Moyes who would come here, though obviously mroe of the latter.

It's the same as when anyone leaves the club from Rooney, Lescott and Rodwell to Moyes, Fellaini and Kenwright. Whether it's a good or bad move for the club depends almost entirely on who we can find to replace them. Until we know that, you can't say.

But the best clubs spin the wheel and don't act scared of change. See the way Ferguson and Wenger know when to move their best players on.