Moyes to sign new 3yr deal

[Summerskin]

To commit to another 3 years to take it upto 13 years is quite impressive in this day and age of Football. .

It always makes me laugh when people say this, especially when you consider those who have lasted longer...

Wenger and Ferguson have won about a billion trophies between them, then you have this Scottish bloke who's only stayed at Everton so long 'cause the Chairman loves how he never complains about a lack of funds & his own ambition is to win the odd home game whilst picking up £3m in the process.

 

[Johnny_No.5]

It always makes me laugh when people say this, especially when you consider those who have lasted longer...

Wenger and Ferguson have won about a billion trophies between them, then you have this Scottish bloke who's only stayed at Everton so long 'cause the Chairman loves how he never complains about a lack of funds & his own ambition is to win the odd home game whilst picking up £3m in the process.

What is Moyes supposed to do, **** of Bill and call for investment from foreign a resource? That's really professional that. Wenger & Ferguson are at clubs with major investment so they have a bigger chance of attracting better players therefore winning major trophies, remember Wenger hasn't won anything in over 7 years.

Moyes is a frustrating manager from a fans point of view, but his loyalty is to be commended and if he signs a contract I will be fully behind him, to not get behind Moyes at this stage would be futile.

 

[Summerskin]

What is Moyes supposed to do, **** of Bill and call for investment from foreign a resource? That's really professional that. Wenger & Ferguson are at clubs with major investment so they have a bigger chance of attracting better players therefore winning major trophies, remember Wenger hasn't won anything in over 7 years.

Moyes is a frustrating manager from a fans point of view, but his loyalty is to be commended and if he signs a contract I will be fully behind him, to not get behind Moyes at this stage would be futile.

What is Moyes supposed to do? F*cking question the board and pressure them, instead of sitting down every year and saying.

"...Any money, Bill?"
"Fraid not, David."
"Oh, okay mate no worries."

I'd be loyal to anyone who pays me £3m a year with no real expectation to challenge for anything.

7th to 17th?
4th to 11th?
Out of two cup competitions early most years?
No trophies?

Besides the above (and other things) he's done well, has Moyes.

But it's the cushiest job in the land, and he f*cking knows it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is like a new signing.

 

[pfim]

What is Moyes supposed to do? F*cking question the board and pressure them, instead of sitting down every year and saying.

"...Any money, Bill?"
"Fraid not, David."
"Oh, okay mate no worries."

Would be fabulous to know how you sit in on these meetings.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Would be fabulous to know how you sit in on these meetings.

Disguised as a desk lamp.

 

[pfim]

Disguised as a desk lamp.

Cue the "Moyles can't tell the supporters from a desk lamp" thread. Moyles out!

 

[njligernj]

He took Fernandes off and brought Hibbert on then spurs went and scored.....really could not believe it i was gobsmacked and fuming !!!

Yes and couple that with the fact he has never once brought on a substitute which had resulted in us winning a game!

It's all too easy to say "oh well he brought Hibbert on" - what else was he supposed to do? He didn't remove Fernandes for Hibbert for any other reason than he had to. Obviously it backfired in terms of Spurs getting a late winner. So, naturally the crowd reacted (badly).

Uh-oh ... facts. Great post BTW. Can we expect those who whined about this to say "fair enough ... I may have overreacted" or can we expect them to ignore your post entirely and then bring up this game yet again as "evidence" in a month or two as if this reply had never happened and nobody ever set them straight? There is a disease in the way people think about football that your team is definitely going to win: if the manager does something which results in them not winning it's a result of his lack of ability but if he does something which results in a win that's just him doing his job (well of course he brought on "so-and-so," well of course we beat Wolves we should beat Wolves, well of course we beat City but we didn't beat United). There is no "of course" (see also: spoons).

In poker they say the pain of losing is ten times bigger than the joy of winning and you are therefore far more likely to remember the bad beats than the times you won. I think football is very similar.

That's how you have the third best defensive record in the country playing one style but if it doesn't work one time then we "can't handle pressure."

We were ****e for a fair bit but no one was saying Everton couldn't compete mate and nobody who has managed our club has ever come out with "knife to a gunfight" style stuff

If nobody was saying Everton couldn't compete then nobody was paying attention. We couldn't compete:

1992-93 13th
1993-94 17th
1994-95 15th
1995-96 6th
1996-97 15th
1997-98 17th
1998-99 14th
1999-00 13th
2000-01 16th
2001-02 15th


Unless you meant competing for relegation. If we were bringing guns to those gunfights then the guns weren't loaded.

There is so much luck in Cups. I'm as thrilled as anyone we won one during that period but that aside the 90's and early 00's were an absolutely dire time to be an Everton fan. Let's not forget this was a much easier division -- you didn't have as pronounced a gap between the haves and have nots and there weren't as many haves. Despite that we were horrendously bad and I can't take the way we playing in 1995 and delude myself into thinking that was the way we played all decade. It was fantastic no doubt but by 1997, staring relegation in the face it seemed like a distant memory.

People want to make snide 7th place trophy comments? How about Evertonians, NSNO and all that, celebrating wildly because we avoided relegation on goal difference? Yes it was, in a sick way, a very good day ... but we never should have been in that situation. Best of the rest? We were best of the worst. Champions of the bottom 1/4 of the table.

Some may say "I'd rather have those finishes and the Cup." But that's silly genie in a bottle nonsense. You don't get that clear cut of a choice. If we did that 10 years over again in the 00's we are one unlucky bounce and one injury or two away from no Cup and relegated. That was our level and I for one wouldn't have wanted to ride our luck (we're Everton FFS has anyone accused us of being an overly lucky club?) with the same level squad in the 00's. The idea that some have revised history to such an extent that they look back on that period as evidence that we were somehow a more spirited and competitive team is mind-boggling.

We might lose Baines and Fellaini this summer and the reason we might lose them is not David Moyes. This squad should do better? *This* squad wouldn't be here for a new manager so it's a moot point. I'm sure another summer of rampant transfer speculation about our best players (and possibly losing them and having to replace them) will help us get off to another flying start.

How's the board thread going these days anyway?

 

[The Esk]

If nobody was saying Everton couldn't compete then nobody was paying attention. We couldn't compete:

1992-93 13th
1993-94 17th
1994-95 15th
1995-96 6th
1996-97 15th
1997-98 17th
1998-99 14th
1999-00 13th
2000-01 16th
2001-02 15th


Unless you meant competing for relegation. If we were bringing guns to those gunfights then the guns weren't loaded.

There is so much luck in Cups. I'm as thrilled as anyone we won one during that period but that aside the 90's and early 00's were an absolutely dire time to be an Everton fan. Let's not forget this was a much easier division -- you didn't have as pronounced a gap between the haves and have nots and there weren't as many haves. Despite that we were horrendously bad and I can't take the way we playing in 1995 and delude myself into thinking that was the way we played all decade. It was fantastic no doubt but by 1997, staring relegation in the face it seemed like a distant memory.

People want to make snide 7th place trophy comments? How about Evertonians, NSNO and all that, celebrating wildly because we avoided relegation on goal difference? Yes it was, in a sick way, a very good day ... but we never should have been in that situation. Best of the rest? We were best of the worst. Champions of the bottom 1/4 of the table.

Some may say "I'd rather have those finishes and the Cup." But that's silly genie in a bottle nonsense. You don't get that clear cut of a choice. If we did that 10 years over again in the 00's we are one unlucky bounce and one injury or two away from no Cup and relegated. That was our level and I for one wouldn't have wanted to ride our luck (we're Everton FFS has anyone accused us of being an overly lucky club?) with the same level squad in the 00's. The idea that some have revised history to such an extent that they look back on that period as evidence that we were somehow a more spirited and competitive team is mind-boggling.

We might lose Baines and Fellaini this summer and the reason we might lose them is not David Moyes. This squad should do better? *This* squad wouldn't be here for a new manager so it's a moot point. I'm sure another summer of rampant transfer speculation about our best players (and possibly losing them and having to replace them) will help us get off to another flying start.

How's the board thread going these days anyway?

Great post !!

 

[Johnny_No.5]

What is Moyes supposed to do? F*cking question the board and pressure them, instead of sitting down every year and saying.

"...Any money, Bill?"
"Fraid not, David."
"Oh, okay mate no worries."

I'd be loyal to anyone who pays me £3m a year with no real expectation to challenge for anything.

7th to 17th?
4th to 11th?
Out of two cup competitions early most years?
No trophies?

Besides the above (and other things) he's done well, has Moyes.

But it's the cushiest job in the land, and he f*cking knows it.

Ok tell me who would do a better job? I'm all ears.. Your as deluded as a kopite.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Ok tell me who would do a better job? I'm all ears.. Your as deluded as a kopite.

Mourinho, you never said that they had to be realistic.

Who would have thought that Moyes would be last as long as he has when we signed him from Preston? Did you expect him to be the manager he is. There's no reason that other managers from the lower leagues couldn't do the same, yes it would be a gamble, but at the moment something needs to change, whether that be the manager, his assistant, the board, the players or just the style of play.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Ok tell me who would do a better job? I'm all ears.. Your as deluded as a kopite.

Mourinho, you never said that they had to be realistic.

Who would have thought that Moyes would be last as long as he has when we signed him from Preston? Did you expect him to be the manager he is. There's no reason that other managers from the lower leagues couldn't do the same, yes it would be a gamble, but at the moment something needs to change, whether that be the manager, his assistant, the board, the players or just the style of play.

I'm really starting to think that everytime someone says "oh who would do a better job, go on name them" that its just basically trolling because the question has been asked so many times and answered just as many.

 

[Johnny_No.5]

Mourinho, you never said that they had to be realistic.

Who would have thought that Moyes would be last as long as he has when we signed him from Preston? Did you expect him to be the manager he is. There's no reason that other managers from the lower leagues couldn't do the same, yes it would be a gamble, but at the moment something needs to change, whether that be the manager, his assistant, the board, the players or just the style of play.

Where do you expect us to finish with the squad we have, finishing 7th, 8 points off Chelsea who have an open cheque book is an amazing feat, especially with the start we had.. The players believe in Moyes, it's about time 100% of our fans do the same..

 

[Johnny_No.5]

I'm really starting to think that everytime someone says "oh who would do a better job, go on name them" that its just basically trolling because the question has been asked so many times and answered just as many.

Yep, Answered with fantasy..

 

[steken1]

Yes and couple that with the fact he has never once brought on a substitute which had resulted in us winning a game!

Uh-oh ... facts. Great post BTW. Can we expect those who whined about this to say "fair enough ... I may have overreacted" or can we expect them to ignore your post entirely and then bring up this game yet again as "evidence" in a month or two as if this reply had never happened and nobody ever set them straight? There is a disease in the way people think about football that your team is definitely going to win: if the manager does something which results in them not winning it's a result of his lack of ability but if he does something which results in a win that's just him doing his job (well of course he brought on "so-and-so," well of course we beat Wolves we should beat Wolves, well of course we beat City but we didn't beat United). There is no "of course" (see also: spoons).

In poker they say the pain of losing is ten times bigger than the joy of winning and you are therefore far more likely to remember the bad beats than the times you won. I think football is very similar.

That's how you have the third best defensive record in the country playing one style but if it doesn't work one time then we "can't handle pressure."

If nobody was saying Everton couldn't compete then nobody was paying attention. We couldn't compete:

1992-93 13th
1993-94 17th
1994-95 15th
1995-96 6th
1996-97 15th
1997-98 17th
1998-99 14th
1999-00 13th
2000-01 16th
2001-02 15th


Unless you meant competing for relegation. If we were bringing guns to those gunfights then the guns weren't loaded.

There is so much luck in Cups. I'm as thrilled as anyone we won one during that period but that aside the 90's and early 00's were an absolutely dire time to be an Everton fan. Let's not forget this was a much easier division -- you didn't have as pronounced a gap between the haves and have nots and there weren't as many haves. Despite that we were horrendously bad and I can't take the way we playing in 1995 and delude myself into thinking that was the way we played all decade. It was fantastic no doubt but by 1997, staring relegation in the face it seemed like a distant memory.

People want to make snide 7th place trophy comments? How about Evertonians, NSNO and all that, celebrating wildly because we avoided relegation on goal difference? Yes it was, in a sick way, a very good day ... but we never should have been in that situation. Best of the rest? We were best of the worst. Champions of the bottom 1/4 of the table.

Some may say "I'd rather have those finishes and the Cup." But that's silly genie in a bottle nonsense. You don't get that clear cut of a choice. If we did that 10 years over again in the 00's we are one unlucky bounce and one injury or two away from no Cup and relegated. That was our level and I for one wouldn't have wanted to ride our luck (we're Everton FFS has anyone accused us of being an overly lucky club?) with the same level squad in the 00's. The idea that some have revised history to such an extent that they look back on that period as evidence that we were somehow a more spirited and competitive team is mind-boggling.

We might lose Baines and Fellaini this summer and the reason we might lose them is not David Moyes. This squad should do better? *This* squad wouldn't be here for a new manager so it's a moot point. I'm sure another summer of rampant transfer speculation about our best players (and possibly losing them and having to replace them) will help us get off to another flying start.

How's the board thread going these days anyway?

Think you may be starting your own bored thread with that 'little' gem.

Were we ****e through that period? Yes without doubt. Were our managers constantly telling us we were ****e, we have no right to have expected to have won at the big clubs or Anfield ever based on what we spent, we'd be lucky to keep hold of our players or that playing a team we have consistently beaten in the past was like taking a "knife to a gunfight"?

I recognize his qualities but I'm not blind to his faults either.