Moyes pre Stoke Presser

[harry]

He is unquestionably better than average. If you take into account all money spent on transfer fees, agents fees and wages and base the position in the table on the resources available we'd not even trouble the top half. Yet in almost every season with Moyes we have finished above, sometimes far above, where an average manager would have taken us.

In my opinion he is nothing special. And his football is very basic. Average.

 

[Allezfan]

They spend considerably less than they did and they sold a lot of players to re-coup cash.
Since then they have bombed.
I don't really get your argument.Mine is that they have deteriorated due to not splashing the cash and therefore are a worse run club than Everton who are still a top 6 club without the cash that Villa have squandered,and that whoever their manager was they would still have dropped due to not spending the huge amounts of money they were to reach top 6 cos they are a badly run club.

They haven't though. They've sold to raise money for new purchases. That's not the same thing.

 

[Allezfan]

In my opinion he is nothing special. And his football is very basic. Average.

Yeah but RBJ is right here. An average manager would get his players finishing about where the market values them, so about how much money the cost in transfer fees and wages. A good manager can either buy players who the market incorrectly values for less then they should or get players performing above their station through tactics and motivation and coaching.

An average top flight manager (bruce for example) would have us finish between 10th and 14th. A bad one (avram grant say) between 15th and 19th. A good one between 5th and 9th.

Moyes is a good manager. He's not an elite manager, he's not one of the best in the world like his wages say. And his particular weaknesses outweigh his strengths for me, but he's a good manager.

 

[Blue Cheese]

If Moyes would just come out and say "if they don't stump up the cash i'm off" or words to those effects I'd have much more respect for him than the way he's handling it.

 

[GwladysBlue]

I just want them both gone now. Far too long for both of them.

 

[chrismanduk]

They haven't though. They've sold to raise money for new purchases. That's not the same thing.

So all the money they bought in and saved on wages has been spent on new players?
If so fair do's. They must be really badly run if they bombed despite spending all that money. if not i don't get where your coming from other than being maybe a bit pedantic.
Anyway love to continue but it's time to go the match for me.

 

[Allezfan]

So all the money they bought in and saved on wages has been spent on new players?

Yep.

If so fair do's. They must be really badly run if they bombed despite spending all that money. if not i don't get where your coming from other than being maybe a bit pedantic.
Anyway love to continue but it's time to go the match for me.

Enjoy it mate, I'm working so I had to give my ticket away. Hence me spending my time engaging in pointless arguments instead.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

If Moyes would just come out and say "if they don't stump up the cash i'm off" or words to those effects I'd have much more respect for him than the way he's handling it.

We don't have cash to stump up. Forcing chairmen to dig a little deeper in their pockets is one thing and is no doubt done on a regular basis with regards to targets Moyes has identified... but when those pockets are all turned out and empty, what more can a manager do? Have you ever heard of a manager forcing through the sale of a club, because that is essentially what you're asking for.

 

[BadWool76]

“It may be that I’ll be in a position where I am out of work if I chose not to stay here at Everton, because I do not have a job to go to - there is nothing lined up."

It becomes more obvious by the day that his mind is made up.

He would not make a comment like that if he was staying.

Its blindly obvious he is going. His whole demeanour screams it

 

[Seamus Colemole]

We don't have cash to stump up. Forcing chairmen to dig a little deeper in their pockets is one thing and is no doubt done on a regular basis with regards to targets Moyes has identified... but when those pockets are all turned out and empty, what more can a manager do? Have you ever heard of a manager forcing through the sale of a club, because that is essentially what you're asking for.

Yeah its laughable that he isn't signing a new contract because he's waiting for kenwrong to promise him lots of money to spend.

After years of him telling us how great kenwrong is without giving him any decent funds Moyes isn't stupid or naive enough to think any things gonna change.

Its just a smokescreen and the story will probably change again next week.

 

[Gwladys St. Glory]

All I know is, if Moyes goes, anyone who comes in who can't properly plan ahead will be f'ed here.

 

[Blue Cheese]

We don't have cash to stump up. Forcing chairmen to dig a little deeper in their pockets is one thing and is no doubt done on a regular basis with regards to targets Moyes has identified... but when those pockets are all turned out and empty, what more can a manager do? Have you ever heard of a manager forcing through the sale of a club, because that is essentially what you're asking for.

It's not really what I meant and I also think you are wrong. All he has to do is (and it's starting to come out now) get some guarantees about his transfer kitty for the summer. I think you're exaggerating just a little, well a lot to be honest.

 

[Stend]

I'm really pleased with the latest press conference from
Moyes. Pretty much tells it how it's is now.

He wants funds. He wants to know who he has to sell. The chairman needs to back him. If he doesn't get the backing to bring squad age down and improve over the length of his next contract he'll part ways. He's made it pretty clear.

Would have no hard feelings if he left under those circumstances.