Moyes pre Stoke Presser

[chrismanduk]

That flies in the face of what practically every Villa fan one comes across or reads on message boards say.

And for the record.....O'Neill wasn't fired by Villa.

He walked out on them a couple of days before the season started.

O'Neill, like Moyes, is in thrall to his own ego and swallows all the gushing crap about himeslf he reads in the press.

Don't recall saying O'neill was sacked.
My point really is nothing to do with the manager more a case of them going down the pan when they stopped splashing the cash.
Saying that i don't rate O'neill.He jumped ship cos he knew the cash wasn't their and the team was going only one way (down).He got out before his rep was ruined.His record at Sunderland is not exactly awe inspiring either.
Moyes is a far better manager.

 

[BadWool76]

Ban hammer come down hard. Cant understand it, he seemed like a charming feller.

He sounded like a relation of yours Dave

 

[davek]

DaveK - I saw that interview and my take on that was Moyes is ,nt buying what he has been told on the budget side hence the request of the breakdown of details.....he then goes on to say that Bill meant well with his interview on SSN and smiled cynically. The budget figure Bill has given Moyes is probably a load of bollocks and Moyes knows it so it was no surprise that Bill was on SSN telling everyone investors on the phone again.

I think the fella wants to sign another contract but does,nt trust the owner hence will keep his option open.

The fans are being taken for ride while Bill struggles to come to terms with the fact he can,t go on and has lost the media support to Moyes so we are seeing a soft PR game going on in the media for the benefit of no one but themselves.

I wish that were true mate, I really do. But for me Moyes and Kenwright are like **** to a blanket.- stuck together in a self-preservation pact.

All his talk of not seeing investment as vital and needing to freshen the squad up tells me he's going to sign up to a contract with sell to buy as the policy understanding between them.

It'll all end in tears this. Without investment we can win nothing; and the support will point the finger ultimately at Moyes for being in charge of the team for between 11 and 14 years and failing them. I think he knows that too, but he'll re-sign anyway because he wont get better than us and he might even think he can fluke a cup...despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I trust Moyes these days about as far as I trust Kenwright.

 

[Khalekan]

Don't recall saying O'neill was sacked.

No, you didn't.....that point was in relation to what a previous poster on the thread had said.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Jags..class]

i have no issues with moyes staying or going

whatever happens happens, dont know why people get all prissy about it, who gives a **** live your own life and focus on your own ****.

This
If Moyes goes then good luck to him, if he stays then great. Why cant we just enjoy the rest of the season and enjoy supporting the club. To be honest those who want Moyes gone are feeling nervous incase he stays and are lashing out.

 

[davek]

From the Echo today:

Bill Kenwright said on Thursday that he has already had to deter opportunistic applicants for the Goodison hot-seat, and Moyes does not believe his delaying tactics would have any effect on whether the club were able to get a possible replacement in the summer. “I could say, you can do that, but it would mean going to get a manager from another club just now, if that's what you're going to do,” he says. “You'd need to know you can go and get another manager if you were going to change that round.'

I think this feller is in danger of talking about himself in the third person soon. I find that comment staggering, tbh. He really does think he's doing us a favour.

By all means take credit for doing a reasonable job, but dont overplay your hand.

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[electricblue]

I've said it all along. He'll sign a new deal. And he'll do that for three overriding reasons, none of which is the much vaunted 'securing funds' proviso:

• He's not wanted anywhere else in a job bigger than Everton
• He's on a wage that only successful managers secure (a massive amount for a bog-standard operator like him to pull down)
• He's got form for caving in and accepting financial prudence/a kick in the plums from his employers

Everything here is just choreography. There is no negotiation; there is no other manger waiting in the wings; there is no lack of planning for the future. It's just a huge smokescreen that will take up a large part of our summer and will eventually be resolved with him signing amid fanfare of trumpets; meantime everyone's eye will have been taken off the ball (again) in terms of using our summers for squad building purposes and we'll limp into the next campaign as weak as we are now.

This is the club and the treatment our supporters deserve. You accept phonies and liars at the top of the club and pats on the head from the media for being plucky 'best of the rest' Everton and you must pay a high price. The price is failure. Dress it up all we want with 'top 6 finishes', it amounts to the same lack of success and a guarantee of more of the same for years to come.

That would totally unacceptable. If he does sign again it has to be within 1 week of the end of the season. It's bad enough already watching the chairman on TV prostrating himself and the club by getting on his knees to beg Moyes to stay which will leave a bad taste in the mouth anyway. If it dragged on over the summer he would lose the backing of many more supporters than he has already.

 

[electricblue]

Exactly. He has said he won't take a sabbatical so that leaves us or another team. He is pimping himself out publicly through sound bites and pressers hoping to get another offer. If he doesn't he will stay.

He has. But in saying “it may be that I’ll be in a position where I am out of work if I chose not to stay here at Everton, because I do not have a job to go to - there is nothing lined up" he leaves the door open for just that.

 

[blue61]

It's not like he'd be out of work anyway, I don't think the recent upsurge in his media work is a coincicdence.

 

[harry]

That would totally unacceptable. If he does sign again it has to be within 1 week of the end of the season. It's bad enough already watching the chairman on TV prostrating himself and the club by getting on his knees to beg Moyes to stay which will leave a bad taste in the mouth anyway. If it dragged on over the summer he would lose the backing of many more supporters than he has already.

Embarrassing isn't it. It would still hurt if he was trying to keep a world beater never mind an average manager.

 

[Allezfan]

Don't recall saying O'neill was sacked.
My point really is nothing to do with the manager more a case of them going down the pan when they stopped splashing the cash.
Saying that i don't rate O'neill.He jumped ship cos he knew the cash wasn't their and the team was going only one way (down).He got out before his rep was ruined.His record at Sunderland is not exactly awe inspiring either.
Moyes is a far better manager.

But you say they stopped flashing the cash. They still spend quite a bit more than we do. It's not like they've started making a profit from players transfers or started cutting the wages down to 40 million.

They've just moved from spending loads and loads to spending just quite a bit.

 

[chrismanduk]

They spend considerably less than they did and they sold a lot of players to re-coup cash.
Since then they have bombed.
I don't really get your argument.Mine is that they have deteriorated due to not splashing the cash and therefore are a worse run club than Everton who are still a top 6 club without the cash that Villa have squandered,and that whoever their manager was they would still have dropped due to not spending the huge amounts of money they were to reach top 6 cos they are a badly run club.

 

[tim cahill]

They spend considerably less than they did and they sold a lot of players to re-coup cash.
Since then they have bombed.
I don't really get your argument.Mine is that they have deteriorated due to not splashing the cash and therefore are a worse run club than Everton who are still a top 6 club without the cash that Villa have squandered,and that whoever their manager was they would still have dropped due to not spending the huge amounts of money they were to reach top 6 cos they are a badly run club.

So you mean that they've been badly managed?

 

[chrismanduk]

So you mean that they've been badly managed?

Bingo
And badly run.
**** clubs aren't just down to crap managers.The people that hire them and give them the cash to blow are just as culpable as are the coaches and the players who take all the cash.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

Embarrassing isn't it. It would still hurt if he was trying to keep a world beater never mind an average manager.

He is unquestionably better than average. If you take into account all money spent on transfer fees, agents fees and wages and base the position in the table on the resources available we'd not even trouble the top half. Yet in almost every season with Moyes we have finished above, sometimes far above, where an average manager would have taken us.