Moyes or Glasner?

[johnjoeefc]

Everton's owners will have seen that interview with Glasner last night and scratched his name off any list they had assembled for Moyes' successor.

I'd go for Iraola myself: seems like he can work under pressure too. £120M negative net spend this season and they're safe enough and will leapfrog Everton if we lose today by a couple of goals and they win tomorrow.

He's pragmatic on comings and goings, but that's because he has a system he places ultimate faith in.

Would you give Moyes at least until 2027 and then reassess from there? His track record deserves it no?

 

[Bryan+]

I’d rather have hoofball and the tactics of hope for winning the second ball for an another three years than winning a trophy. = Moyes lover.

 

[Swartzy]

That’s not quite true. He’s not glued to his system . Why would we hound out a good manager

You possibly wouldn't need to given his past departures.

 

[Neiler]

Glasner is a one dimensional rigid manager, he’s married to a system and wants and needs a small drilled squad to do it.

That won’t work beyond clubs like Palace and Frankfurt - where the pulse hasn’t been racing in a while or at a bigger club with a bigger squad, thus he has a ceiling. Ultimately he’s a one dimensional rigid philoseiy manager.

Hope he ends up at Spurs.

 

[ClausThomsen]

My only reservation towards Glasner is that he is incredibly streaky both positively and negatively which is on display now , but when he first accepted the job he struggled for a bit before getting palace in the rhythm of winning games, do Everton fans have the patience to withstand those slumps in form?

Absolutely not.

Like most fans now it's all very knee jerk and a rough patch of form is a crisis while getting a couple of wins is often misperceived as playing well with all the glaring deficiencies ignored if the result is right.

Every single name that has been mentioned as a replacement will be the same. Glasner, Iriola, Frank and many others have all had pretty long spells of seemingly abject football and poor results. But from the outside looking in we just see the good highlights and notice the excellent results as we want that as well.

But we kind of ignore the bad results or performances as they're not really important to us.

Moyes came in and won a few games (not always convincingly if you watched 90 minutes) and was the best in the world. Had a couple of good spells this season and his stock remained pretty high. Now he's hit a patch of ropey form, with some very ropey players, and a seemingly significant portion want him gone.

There are people on the outside looking at the table, seeing a few results, noticing a few good highlights here and there and wondering what is up with some Evertonians. They don't see the same negatives as they don't sit and watch Everton 90 mins every week. They see a squad with two absolute duffs to choose from up-front, a lot of the same players who have consistently bottled it year after year and recently a very decimated first team.

By all means replace Moyes but whoever is chosen doesn't significantly improve on what Moyes has done so far until a still fairly large proportion of the squad is cycled out of contention for a first team place.

 

[Curtis]

He doesn't care anymore and neither do the players.

I think there's also the factor which played a role in his tirade, they're suffering from major fixture congestion and palace did nothing to mitigate their limited squad issues , their bench is bad as ours currently and they're in Europe

 

[Gilbert..]

Everton's owners will have seen that interview with Glasner last night and scratched his name off any list they had assembled for Moyes' successor.

I'd go for Iraola myself: seems like he can work under pressure too. £120M negative net spend this season and they're safe enough and will leapfrog Everton if we lose today by a couple of goals and they win tomorrow.

He's pragmatic on comings and goings, but that's because he has a system he places ultimate faith in.

Conceded as many as Wolves this season.
His recent comments after their game at United were interesting when he said i dont mind if we concede 4 if we're also scoring 4. Its exciting.
I certainly think we'd be fun to watch under him lol.

 

[Swartzy]

Open a thread on glasner and his stock is already falling..

 

[davids]

Could he do anything with the squad we have and the standard of player we will likely attract in the Summer window? I've a feeling he'll be coaching in Europe anyway.

 

[Neiler]

Absolutely not.

Like most fans now it's all very knee jerk and a rough patch of form is a crisis while getting a couple of wins is often misperceived as playing well with all the glaring deficiencies ignored if the result is right.

Every single name that has been mentioned as a replacement will be the same. Glasner, Iriola, Frank and many others have all had pretty long spells of seemingly abject football and poor results. But from the outside looking in we just see the good highlights and notice the excellent results as we want that as well.

But we kind of ignore the bad results or performances as they're not really important to us.

Moyes came in and won a few games (not always convincingly if you watched 90 minutes) and was the best in the world. Had a couple of good spells this season and his stock remained pretty high. Now he's hit a patch of ropey form, with some very ropey players, and a seemingly significant portion want him gone.

There are people on the outside looking at the table, seeing a few results, noticing a few good highlights here and there and wondering what is up with some Evertonians. They don't see the same negatives as they don't sit and watch Everton 90 mins every week. They see a squad with two absolute duffs to choose from up-front, a lot of the same players who have consistently bottled it year after year and recently a very decimated first team.

By all means replace Moyes but whoever is chosen doesn't significantly improve on what Moyes has done so far until a still fairly large proportion of the squad is cycled out of contention for a first team place.

Moyes is over the long term our most successful manager in the PL era - away from Joe who won the cup - but from a league point of view and longevity Moyes is.

Moving in from him is an unenviable task, Curtis is right above p, he’s a comfort blanket.

When we eventually do I think an important question is how we do? If this tread is anything to go by - most fans just have a muscle memory to go for who ever is doing well at smaller club's in the PL, this year it happens to be Glasner, Iriola - Frank was flavour of the month last year, they aren’t really different then say Martinez or Silva back in the day.

What if we didn’t go after the low hanging PL fruit managers next time and maybe have a short list of five now from around the works and when the time comes, give them a plan and five years.

Find the next Moyes, who at the time was a massive risky and left field pick for us.

 

[Eggs]

….remember when Thomas Frank was flavour of the month in here

 

[BigBeto1]

The set up on Glasners first game

 

[Drico]

Have we just appointed a new manager John ??

You mean Bill.

Back from the grave.

 

[Drico]

….remember when Thomas Frank was flavour of the month in here

Remember when Moyes was relegated at Sunderland. And sacked at United. And failed at Sociedad?

Managers won't always succeed at every club...

 

[Simon Buttle]

Moyes is over the long term our most successful manager in the PL era - away from Joe who won the cup - but from a league point of view and longevity Moyes is.

Moving in from him is an unenviable task, Curtis is right above p, he’s a comfort blanket.

When we eventually do I think an important question is how we do? If this tread is anything to go by - most fans just have a muscle memory to go for who ever is doing well at smaller club's in the PL, this year it happens to be Glasner, Iriola - Frank was flavour of the month last year, they aren’t really different then say Martinez or Silva back in the day.

What if we didn’t go after the low hanging PL fruit managers next time and maybe have a short list of five now from around the works and when the time comes, give them a plan and five years.

Find the next Moyes, who at the time was a massive risky and left field pick for us.

Then you are probably looking at someone like McKenna.