Moyes or Glasner?

[Moomin]

It was.

Do you compare our defeat to Palace in the Zenith Data final to England winning the world cup in 66?

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I was in the away end the day Leicester lifted the title.

I was at Goodison the day we beat Newcastle to finish 4th.

Let me tell you, they're very, very different.

Evertonians would celebrate a league Cup win more than 4th - I know I would, but then you don't associate success with trophies so we'll never agree.

All that would be very interesting if I’d said we celebrated 4th more or that finishing 4th was the same as winning the league, but I didn’t so it isn’t. Also, I never said I didn’t associate success with trophies. Teams can win trophies and not view a season as a success. Teams can not win trophies and view a season as a success. It’s not rocket science. You’re just choosing to limit success to only mean winning a trophy. I disagree with that. My daughters is a competitive swimmer. A successful race is beating her previous PB. Whether she wins the race or not is a different matter.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

All that would be very interesting if I’d said we celebrated 4th more or that finishing 4th was the same as winning the league, but I didn’t so it isn’t. Also, I never said I didn’t associate success with trophies. Teams can win trophies and not view a season as a success. Teams can not win trophies and view a season as a success. It’s not rocket science. You’re just choosing to limit success to only mean winning a trophy. I disagree with that. My daughters is a competitive swimmer. A successful race is beating her previous PB. Whether she wins the race or not is a different matter.

Success is subjective.

For me, at Everton, its winning a trophy. Not midtable.

And to claim Everton finishing 4th is a bigger achievement than Leicester winning the league is absolute potty im afraid.

The occasions I mentioned at each are indicative as to why one is a much bigger achievement than the other.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Do you compare our defeat to Palace in the Zenith Data final to England winning the world cup in 66?

Only a complete moron would even put those in the same sentence. Think of it like this. You getting a single GCSE pass is comparatively a bigger achievement than Einstein discovering relativity.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Success is subjective.

For me, at Everton, its winning a trophy. Not midtable.

And to claim Everton finishing 4th is a bigger achievement than Leicester winning the league is absolute potty im afraid.

The occasions I mentioned at each are indicative as to why one is a much bigger achievement than the other.

It could be a bigger managerial achievement dummy. Moyes getting 4th with the squad he had was harder than Pep winning the league with City most years.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Do you compare our defeat to Palace in the Zenith Data final to England winning the world cup in 66?

I do tbf.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Only a complete moron would even put those in the same sentence. Think of it like this. You getting a single GCSE pass is comparatively a bigger achievement than Einstein discovering relativity.

Everton are a much bigger club than Leicester.

How can you think a season we finished 4th as a bigger achievement than Leicester winning the league?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It could be a bigger managerial achievement dummy. Moyes getting 4th with the squad he had was harder than Pep winning the league with City most years.

Oh I see.

So Moyes achieving 4th as Everton manager is a bigger managerial achievement than Ranieri winning the league as Leicester manager?

Leicester who staged a miraculous recovery to avoid relegation and finished on 41 points the season prior, who then won the league with 81 points.

OK, mate.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Everton are a much bigger club than Leicester.

How can you think a season we finished 4th as a bigger achievement than Leicester winning the league?

The size of the club is irrelevant if the players playing for it are rubbish.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Oh I see.

So Moyes achieving 4th as Everton manager is a bigger managerial achievement than Ranieri winning the league as Chelsea manager?

Leicester who staged a miraculous recovery to avoid relegation and finished on 41 points the season prior, who then won the league with 81 points.

OK, mate.

Why are you talking about Chelsea friend?

You mean the Leicester who had two World class players an England striker? We had Marcus Bent as our main striker and Tony Hibbert.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The size of the club is irrelevant if the players playing for it are rubbish.

Leicester were favourites for relegation the season they won that league title.

Theyd been in the championship. Promoted and barely stayed up. They were bottom of the table on 14 points from 26 games. Remarkable they stayed up. Then won the league the season after

 

[Moomin]

Only a complete moron would even put those in the same sentence. Think of it like this. You getting a single GCSE pass is comparatively a bigger achievement than Einstein discovering relativity.

It's not demonstrably untrue at all. The great Carlo Ancelloti had us in 10th. Mourinho and Conte both flopped at Spurs with far greater resources. Moyes took us to fourth. Probably the worst squad to ever finish fourth in this league having finished 17th the year before. I don't there is an equivalent achievement in premier league history. Leicester won the league but they actually two world class players and a top quality striker. We had Marcus Bent up front.

I'm not saying he is the best manager in the world. I'm just saying I don't think any manager would have us on a significantly higher points total than we have now with the group of players we have and the injuries/AFCON etc. Do you the season we finished 4th/5th a different manager would have had us higher? Because I don't.

 

[Moomin]

Leicester were favourites for relegation the season they won that league title.

Theyd been in the championship. Promoted and barely stayed up. They were bottom of the table on 14 points from 26 games. Remarkable they stayed up. Then won the league the season after

But it's no 4th place though.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

But it's no 4th place though.

I sooner play chess with a pigeon than debate with you TBH. Everything I say is way over your head.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But it's no 4th place though.

But, but, but, we finished 17th the season before!

Compare that to Leicester. They were bottom of the table after 28 games the season before the title. They had to win 7 of their last 9. Recall everyone fuming they legged Pearson for Ranieri that summer.

Cant recall who they signed that summer, Huth and Kante?