Moyes on Goals on Sunday

[Kanchelskis17]

You're missing the point of the whole piece.

What has gone, diluted or whatever word you want to use is expectation. There's a whole swathe of fans who expected us to get stuffed against the RS last year when many were banging the optimist drum and I'm afraid part of the reason is Moyes, you only have to look at his record.

That's not a fair reflection on the general feelings of Blues, I for one - & alot of other blues went into the Semi-Final feeling like we would get a result. At half time I dont think I've ever felt some comfortable in a derby & the game changed because of a mistake. We lost the game because of our lack of options to change the game after that and some unfortunate cicumstances (Drenthe being a t*t, Pienaar being cup-tied). The reasons we lost that game were beyond Moyes' control.

Our shortcomings last season had more to do with the board than Moyes himself & its only because he manged to pull off a few decent signings in January that things changed. This season there are alot of Blues who are confident we'll have a good season & Moyes is part of the reason for that.

 

[Ratkiller]

& your point is what?

As they didn't have a 75K capacity stadium back then.

I only raised attendances in response to the comment that Blues supposedly turned their backs on the club due to the dumbing down of expectation after the appointment of Moyes - which is patently total bollocks.

My point?

Attendances are higher across the whole of the top flight.

Although you could also argue that their board have had the foresight to improve and expand their facilities to maximise revenue streams. Same with the likes of Sunderland , Newcastle etc.

 

[nigelcoyb]

That's not a fair reflection on the general feelings of Blues, I for one - & alot of other blues went into the Semi-Final feeling like we would get a result. At half time I dont think I've ever felt some comfortable in a derby & the game changed because of a mistake. We lost the game because of our lack of options to change the game after that and some unfortunate cicumstances (Drenthe being a t*t, Pienaar being cup-tied). The reasons we lost that game were beyond Moyes' control.

Our shortcomings last season had more to do with the board than Moyes himself & its only because he manged to pull off a few decent signings in January that things changed. This season there are alot of Blues who are confident we'll have a good season & Moyes is part of the reason for that.

I don't dispute that I'm saying there are fans who don't share that view - honest - I'm not making it up!!

 

[Kanchelskis17]

I think the matchgoing numbers aren't the defining aspect, Newcastle were getting nearly 50k when relegated and civil war was breaking out over Ashley et al.

Attendances are only a fraction of the everton family.

If people are willing to pay to watch the team play then thats a better reflection of how the average Evertonian feels than the example you give about your mates. People won't part with there money if there not happy with what the watching & its no coincidence that attendances have increased this season & tickets for away games have become gold dust for the majority of games.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You're missing the point of the whole piece.

What has gone, diluted or whatever word you want to use is expectation. There's a whole swathe of fans who expected us to get stuffed against the RS last year when many were banging the optimist drum and I'm afraid part of the reason is Moyes, you only have to look at his record.

My first derby was the Andy King game & I think we'd not beaten them in 7 or 8 years before that game, so getting beaten in the derby was expected as they were largely better than us. We always used to go into the derby with hope rather than expectation as I remember it. Barring our glory years in the 80's that's largely been the case ever since, so us expecting to get beat in the derby is hardly new to Evertonians & a disease created by Moyes is it?

I think you're wrong to label Moyes tenure as the era that 'dumbed down' Evertonians expectations. What's changed, is that we've not got the cash that we once had to compete with the biggest & best. The blame for that lies in a succession of bad (or none existent) decisions in the boardroom dating back to the late 80's.

 

[Ratkiller]

That's not a fair reflection on the general feelings of Blues, I for one - & alot of other blues went into the Semi-Final feeling like we would get a result. At half time I dont think I've ever felt some comfortable in a derby & the game changed because of a mistake. We lost the game because of our lack of options to change the game after that and some unfortunate cicumstances (Drenthe being a t*t, Pienaar being cup-tied). The reasons we lost that game were beyond Moyes' control.

Our shortcomings last season had more to do with the board than Moyes himself & its only because he manged to pull off a few decent signings in January that things changed. This season there are alot of Blues who are confident we'll have a good season & Moyes is part of the reason for that.

Moyes spent all week telling the press that liverpool were the better team.

His team played like they were scared of them.

I don't know what game you were watching.

 

[Kanchelskis17]

I don't dispute that I'm saying there are fans who don't share that view - honest - I'm not making it up!!

You do dispute it though because your saying that expectation has gone/diluted amongst Evertonians & Moyes is part of the blame for this- but if anything expectations lowered along time before Moyes came, if anything they've rose again under his management & now the fans are expecting us to achieve more because of this.

In all honesty 90% of blues would have probably took your hand off to be were we are now if you would have asked them 10 years ago.

 

[Goat]

A lof of fans turned their backs on Kenwrong, not Moyes.

Some fans think its still 1985 and Everton are the greatest team in the World, its not 1985 anymore lads.

In 2012 money talks.

 

[nigelcoyb]

If people are willing to pay to watch the team play then thats a better reflection of how the average Evertonian feels than the example you give about your mates. People won't part with there money if there not happy with what the watching & its no coincidence that attendances have increased this season & tickets for away games have become gold dust for the majority of games.

I think you're saying only fans who go should be listened to.

I won't introduce you to some of my mates who went for over 40 yrs and don't now cos they're real big lads.

 

[nigelcoyb]

You do dispute it though because your saying that expectation has gone/diluted amongst Evertonians & Moyes is part of the blame for this- but if anything expectations lowered along time before Moyes came, if anything they've rose again under his management & now the fans are expecting us to achieve more because of this.

In all honesty 90% of blues would have probably took your hand off to be were we are now if you would have asked them 10 years ago.

I realise I can't speak for every evertonian so I haven't - you shouldn't suggest I have.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I think you're saying only fans who go should be listened to.

I won't introduce you to some of my mates who went for over 40 yrs and don't now cos they're real big lads.

In fairness he's not saying that imo, he's stating the facts i.e. that more people go to the match now than before in total. The fact that your mates aren't part of it, doesn't reflect the total numbers of those voting with their feet & attending.

 

[Kanchelskis17]

Moyes spent all week telling the press that liverpool were the better team.

His team played like they were scared of them.

I don't know what game you were watching.

Moyes spent the week saying we were the underdogs to ease the pressure on the team because we were considered favourites by most pundits.

We controlled the majority of the first half & looked comfortable until a mistake by Distin. Neither team created alot of chances so you could say that each team was 'scared'. We were controlling the game in the middle of the park & had a 1-0 lead to sit on, Jelavic was the most dangerous play on the pitch & the only time Liverpool really controlled the game was when they put us under pressure after half time, if anything we were starting to look comfortable again when Disitin f*cked up.

Liverpool bossed the game after that because the mometum was with them, Moyes didn't really have options on the bench to change that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17643172 <---- thats what I was watching

 

[Kanchelskis17]

I think you're saying only fans who go should be listened to.

I won't introduce you to some of my mates who went for over 40 yrs and don't now cos they're real big lads.

No i'm saying if fans are happy to go then thats a fair relection that the majority are satisfied with how the clubs doing. Your 'big lads' have seen Everton win trophy after trophy during the 60's & 80's when we were the 'Mersey Millionaires' - i've seen us fight 2 relegation battles, win an FA Cup & fight adminstration more often than we've fought for league titles.

Footballs changed, without money we're not going to see Everton challenge for trophy after trophy like the 80's & Moyes isn't to blame for that

 

[Goat]

I think you're saying only fans who go should be listened to.

I won't introduce you to some of my mates who went for over 40 yrs and don't now cos they're real big lads.

Maybe they should start going the game again, work off some of that blubber.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Footballs changed, without money we're not going to see Everton challenge for trophy after trophy like the 80's & Moyes isn't to blame for that

I'll save someone else the trouble here as this is where Moyes now gets blamed for keeping Kenwright in control, by winning too many games that avoids the majority of the fanbase kicking off, by not whining enough about us being skint in the media & for publicly saying he gets on well with his Chairman.