Moyes on Goals on Sunday

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I think you're wrong re average attendance.

And anyone can put any slant on figures they want anyway. The simple fact is back then we didn't put up with mid table or relegation fights.
Owners were held accountable for their failures.

There was certainly never an acceptance that seventh is phenomenal and fourth place and humiliation in Europe is akin to a league title.

I'm not wrong, research it yourself.

We didn't put up with it? really? what happened every season then mate? as we were bang average for the majority of them.
 
Kendalls 3rd Spell was 97-98, the average attendance was about 35,000 - which isnt far off the average during Moyes' reign so yeah the 19k is well off, big improvement from 90-95 though when it was about 25,000 but thats when the Park End was being re-built

I was referring to '93 actually, so it was his 2nd spell not his 3rd, my error, but it was 19K
 
I think you're wrong re average attendance.

And anyone can put any slant on figures they want anyway. The simple fact is back then we didn't put up with mid table or relegation fights.
Owners were held accountable for their failures.

There was certainly never an acceptance that seventh is phenomenal and fourth place and humiliation in Europe is akin to a league title.

It is rubbish though.

You must be wearing both sepia and rose tinted glasses.

Our crowds are higher in Moyes' time than in any decade since the 1960's.

Our average finish under Moyes has only been bettered in the 1960's and 1980's - arguably the 2 best decades in our history when we were the "Mersey millionaires", one of the richest clubs around.
 
Average league finish is misleading though. The average finish for Leeds under wilkinson was something like 11th because it included one 1st and one 17th. It was still pretty good for leeds fans.

What matters is trophies.
 
And Manchester United averaged 35,000 that season.

And they won the league didnt they?

& your point is what?

As they didn't have a 75K capacity stadium back then.

I only raised attendances in response to the comment that Blues supposedly turned their backs on the club due to the dumbing down of expectation after the appointment of Moyes - which is patently total bollocks.
 
& your point is what?

As they didn't have a 75K capacity stadium back then.

I only raised attendances in response to the comment that Blues supposedly turned their backs on the club due to the dumbing down of expectation after the appointment of Moyes - which is patently total bollocks.

flhd, can't let you get away with that.

Out of 10 lifelong blues who went with me only 2 of us still go and that's only sporadically the reasons are disillusionment with what happens on the pitch you don't speak for every evertonian so you can't use such broad brush strokes no matter how annoyed such comments make you.
 
So have they turned their back on the game specifically because of David Moyes, or general disillusionment with Premier League football?

IF specifically Moyes I wonder why they waited until we were finishing regularly in the top 6 to jack it in rather than any of the decade that preceeded it.
 
Fair enough. I disagree.




Between 1991 and 2002 we finished in the top 10 once. This despite being one of the top spending clubs in the league. We escaped relegation on the last day of the season twice in that time.


Howard Kendall had managed for 2 years in the lower league before becoming Everton manger.
Mike Walker had 18 months experience in the top division.
Colin Harvey's first job was as Everton manager.
Joe Royle had lots of years of yo-yo-ing with Oldham before joining us.

Walter Smith is the only manager with any track record of success we've appointed ever as far as I can see,

I fail to see how the lack of investment in the Kenwright era can be blamed on the manager. For someone whose expectations have been lowered you certainly give off the impression of entitlement.

If you expect Everton to challenge for the title on a budget 4 times lower than at least 5-6 other teams have then you are living in la-la land. It hasn't happened in football before. When we won titles we were in the group the big spending clubs. Do you honestly not believe with another £100m a season to spend we wouldn't have a better squad, more capable of challenging?

"This is Everton" means nothing. Over 38 games the team with the biggest and best squad wins. Moyes has assembled a squad for naff all money which has only finished below one team (Newcastle last year) who have a similar budget in the last 6 years. That is an incredible level of consistency.

In 10 years only 4 teams have won more points than us, only those 4 have conceded fewer and only those 4 plus Spurs (just) have scored more. That is phenomenal - yes there is no trophy for it but I fail to see what else he could do on our budget.

Yeah but we had the attitude of competing which may be why we won the FA CUP.

Mike Walker had top flight experience, qualifying for europe and beating Bayern, the other lads are all connected to Everton, not sure what part of novice and no everton association escaped you.

"entitlement" ??? thought I used the word expectation but I can see what you're doing there.

Never said we should challenge for the title, again I see what you're doing but Moyes failures stretch to the cups and certain grounds, as I say some don't see that as right.

Look I understand some see what Moyes has done as remarkable as you say you fail to see what else he could have done - me and others we argue otherwise and until he goes never the twain shall meet.
 
flhd, can't let you get away with that.

Out of 10 lifelong blues who went with me only 2 of us still go and that's only sporadically the reasons are disillusionment with what happens on the pitch you don't speak for every evertonian so you can't use such broad brush strokes no matter how annoyed such comments make you.

To be fair mate the stats reflect that you & your groups of mates are against the general trend of Evertonians .. since Moyes took over our average attendance has been about 36,000 which is the highest its been across a decade since the 60's. The Lowest its been for a season under Moyes was last season when it dropped to an average of 33,000 which had alot to do with fans feelings towards the board, selling Arteta, Yak & Beckford & the lack of signings in the summer.

This year its rose again to about 36,000 & thats despite an ageing Goodison & the cost of Premier League footy.
 
So have they turned their back on the game specifically because of David Moyes, or general disillusionment with Premier League football?

IF specifically Moyes I wonder why they waited until we were finishing regularly in the top 6 to jack it in rather than any of the decade that preceeded it.

You're missing the point of the whole piece.

What has gone, diluted or whatever word you want to use is expectation. There's a whole swathe of fans who expected us to get stuffed against the RS last year when many were banging the optimist drum and I'm afraid part of the reason is Moyes, you only have to look at his record.
 
flhd, can't let you get away with that.

Out of 10 lifelong blues who went with me only 2 of us still go and that's only sporadically the reasons are disillusionment with what happens on the pitch you don't speak for every evertonian so you can't use such broad brush strokes no matter how annoyed such comments make you.

Fair enough mate, but the converse is also true, you can't claim that your circle represents the majority either can you?

& the attendance figures don't back up your original claim either.
 
To be fair mate the stats reflect that you & your groups of mates are against the general trend of Evertonians .. since Moyes took over our average attendance has been about 36,000 which is the highest its been across a decade since the 60's. The Lowest its been for a season under Moyes was last season when it dropped to an average of 33,000 which had alot to do with fans feelings towards the board, selling Arteta, Yak & Beckford & the lack of signings in the summer.

This year its rose again to about 36,000 & thats despite an ageing Goodison & the cost of Premier League footy.

I think the matchgoing numbers aren't the defining aspect, Newcastle were getting nearly 50k when relegated and civil war was breaking out over Ashley et al.

Attendances are only a fraction of the everton family.
 
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