Moyes and his financial restraints - Martinez

[SheedyBracewellReidSteven]

I think Moyes having no money to spend was always a half truth. Fellaini cost £15m, Yakubu £11m, Bilyaletdinov £9m, and they're just for starters, not including all his bargain buys.

I liked Moyes, but I feel the 'no cash' statement was a decoy he hid behind a bit.

Sometimes he did have money, he just spent large amounts unwisely.

He quite often had to sell to buy.

 

[Goat]

Oh great, another Moyes bashing thread.

You lids do realise hes not gonna be our Manager next Season, yeah?

Let it go.

Viva la Roberto.

I really, really hope we aint gonna have a thread like this after every game next Season.

 

[Brownie]

Moyes spent an utterly vast ammount of money at the club. I mean we're talking more than 620 million pounds in transfers, wages and agent fees combined and less than a third of that was made back by players sold and prize fees won.

When people say he has no moeny, they mean purely in relative terms. And in relative everton under moyes spent less money than most of the league does.

We weren't wigan, we weren't crystal palace but we spent less than 13-14 other clubs and about a fifth of what clubs like liverpool and chelsea did.

In european terms, we were big spenders (we outspend dortmund, jvuentus, porto, ajax, bilbao, benfica etc in that time) but this league is so ridicuously rich and so ridiciously addicted to spending that even the vast wealth Moyes had is nothing in relative terms.

I know it feels counter intuitive to point at a guy who spent 15 million on a single player and say 'wow he's had no money' but compared to our rivals it's true.

Does this not make it a bit weird that most of those sides are comfortably better than us? I understand a large part of it is that because the financial level is so high you have to pay squad players loads of money and things like that, but surely all the Prem sides with any money at all could be looking to sign the kinds of players that those teams sign? Is it the attraction of playing for one of the top sides in a league, being in the CL or what?

 

[steken1]

...I think they said on Sky that between 2009-12 Everton didn't spend £1m on any individual. Not sure if that is true, but if it is its an amazing stat.

Think that's about right. To suggest he was sitting on cash for three seasons is absurd. At no other football club in Britain would this be accepted if they were in the top flight.

One poster on here tried to make a case for Brentford giving us a game based on they'd spent similar dosh to us on players one summer.

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

People are now retrospectively constructing their own reality. It's as if David Moyes was never really manager, replaced as he has been by some tactless, bullying, dithering, controlling, boring, useless charlatan, who was destroying the club from within. If Moyes was ever cautious with money or prudent with wages then it was solely for our benefit; thus is a club whose wages are 75% of our turnover, not really something we could afford to increase - though he himself was taking a fairly large wage.

 

[Allezfan]

Does this not make it a bit weird that most of those sides are comfortably better than us? I understand a large part of it is that because the financial level is so high you have to pay squad players loads of money and things like that, but surely all the Prem sides with any money at all could be looking to sign the kinds of players that those teams sign? Is it the attraction of playing for one of the top sides in a league, being in the CL or what?

Yeah, it is weird.

The sheer wealth of the prem should mean our clubs are a lot better vs european clubs then we actually are. I mean Psg, Monaco, Zenit, Anzhi, Barca, Real, Inter, AC and Bayern are the only clubs who's spending power even compares to the big prem clubs. Guys like Porto, Juve, Shakhtar and Dortmund should be blown away but they aren't.

It comes down to coaching I think. The continent just coaches players better then we do.

 

[Jags..class]

Well we got 5 of it back.. so only a 4 mil loss really.. Not exactly Keane at the reds is it? Only time Moyes lost us anything of note was Yak and he got a serious injury.

Liverpool earn 3 times more then us so 4 x 3 is like 12 million to the rs, so 4 million a lot to us. Anyway that all I want to say on this matter.

 

[blueblue]

Referring back to Yakubu,my memory is that he started the second season badly,had scored about six goals up to his injury in Nov/Dec and it was strongly suggested that before his injury he was in line for a January move to Spurs.

Of all the signings David Moyes made in his tenure at Everton I think Yakubu was the most unMoyes like.

We can allagree that David Moyes did really well for Everton,I don't believe any of us has enough genuine information to know about the availability of funds or not.
I do think it is fair to say that David Moyes is a naturally cautious man...sometimes it works for you,sometimes against.

I think we have probably gone as far as he could take us and it was time for a change all round.

Sometimes that change works for you...sometimes it doesn't.

 

[Jacko93]

Yeah, it is weird.

The sheer wealth of the prem should mean our clubs are a lot better vs european clubs then we actually are. I mean Psg, Monaco, Zenit, Anzhi, Barca, Real, Inter, AC and Bayern are the only clubs who's spending power even compares to the big prem clubs. Guys like Porto, Juve, Shakhtar and Dortmund should be blown away but they aren't.

It comes down to coaching I think. The continent just coaches players better then we do.

The youth coaches on the continent are paid much better wages than the equivalent here. Plus, in the big hitting countries, the national coaching is much more organised that we are here. Hopefully, in a number of years the gap will be closed a little bit with the new FA coaching place, n tha.

 

[alpha1]

Oh great, another Moyes bashing thread.

You lids do realise hes not gonna be our Manager next Season, yeah?

Let it go.

Viva la Roberto.

I really, really hope we aint gonna have a thread like this after every game next Season.

Here Here!!!! Fed up of putting all our failures at Moyes' door.
He has gone (on to better things if we are being honest) so let it go.
Use all this energy to support the new manager, forget the last one

 

[Ihaters]

Liverpool earn 3 times more then us so 4 x 3 is like 12 million to the rs, so 4 million a lot to us. Anyway that all I want to say on this matter.

They've blown more than 12mil many times.

 

[davek]

Yeah, it is weird.

The sheer wealth of the prem should mean our clubs are a lot better vs european clubs then we actually are. I mean Psg, Monaco, Zenit, Anzhi, Barca, Real, Inter, AC and Bayern are the only clubs who's spending power even compares to the big prem clubs. Guys like Porto, Juve, Shakhtar and Dortmund should be blown away but they aren't.

It comes down to coaching I think. The continent just coaches players better then we do.

Maybe there's a colonial dimension also? Spain and Portugal and France were the imperial powers in South America and the parts of Africa where boss footballers are coming out of, and they have a natural advantage in attracting them to their culture. Basically Wenger has used his contacts in France to channel talent through from French teams who have a conveyor belt to African talent. Of course that doesn't account for Germany, but they're economy does suck in Turks and Eastern Europeans. We have to buy them, by and large, when they're established players for a lot of money.

If only the Indian subcontinent and Jamaica loved footy rather than cricket....and the North Americans weren't baseball and NFL freaks.

 

[Ihaters]

Referring back to Yakubu,my memory is that he started the second season badly,had scored about six goals up to his injury in Nov/Dec and it was strongly suggested that before his injury he was in line for a January move to Spurs.

Of all the signings David Moyes made in his tenure at Everton I think Yakubu was the most unMoyes like.

We can allagree that David Moyes did really well for Everton,I don't believe any of us has enough genuine information to know about the availability of funds or not.
I do think it is fair to say that David Moyes is a naturally cautious man...sometimes it works for you,sometimes against.

I think we have probably gone as far as he could take us and it was time for a change all round.

Sometimes that change works for you...sometimes it doesn't.

You would of thought so wouldn't you? Sadly not.

 

[pfim]

Referring back to Yakubu,my memory is that he started the second season badly,had scored about six goals up to his injury in Nov/Dec and it was strongly suggested that before his injury he was in line for a January move to Spurs.

Of all the signings David Moyes made in his tenure at Everton I think Yakubu was the most unMoyes like.

We can allagree that David Moyes did really well for Everton,I don't believe any of us has enough genuine information to know about the availability of funds or not.
I do think it is fair to say that David Moyes is a naturally cautious man...sometimes it works for you,sometimes against.

I think we have probably gone as far as he could take us and it was time for a change all round.

Sometimes that change works for you...sometimes it doesn't.

The accounts are published every year. Certainly, we're not privy to future revenue projections and the club's ability to borrow money, but you can make inferences from the numbers about those things, it's not difficult.

 

[pfim]

Maybe there's a colonial dimension also? Spain and Portugal and France were the imperial powers in South America and the parts of Africa where boss footballers are coming out of, and they have a natural advantage in attracting them to their culture. Basically Wenger has used his contacts in France to channel talent through from French teams who have a conveyor belt to African talent. Of course that doesn't account for Germany, but they're economy does suck in Turks and Eastern Europeans. We have to buy them, by and large, when they're established players for a lot of money.

If only the Indian subcontinent and Jamaica loved footy rather than cricket....and the North Americans weren't baseball and NFL freaks.

Work permits are an issue for players coming from some of these nations.