Moyes and his financial restraints - Martinez

[BirkenheadBlue]

Yakubu only really had one good season though.

The wage structure idea in the OP I agree with.

Started second season well, then got the injury, as I remember it.

 

[MartSlinger]

 

[Allezfan]

What I don't think can be argued is that Moyes had money and chose not to spend it, or kept wages low(er) on purpose. You only have to look at the financial accounts for every year of his time as manager to see how stretched we were.

Yes, that. Our wages are as low as they are because they're at 75% of our income.

Our transfer spending is as low it is because we're in record levels of debt and making a loss every year.

It's possible that the new tv deals will change that and martinez will be under less harsh restrictions, that would be great. But the idea that our poverty was due to Moye's restraint is laughable.

It's because we're a terribly run club who don't make anywhere near the amount of money as our rivals do.

 

[Moomin]

We went 3 seasons without signing a first team player at one point. The fingers of blame don't point anywhere near Moyes. In fact we should be thankful that if it was him that introduced a wage cap and had the discipline to stick to it, which some managers would forget in a heartbeat, and respect that.

Wage cap guvnor, naahhhh for me sooonnnnnnnn

 

[ijjysmith]

Well we got 5 of it back.. so only a 4 mil loss really.. Not exactly Keane at the reds is it? Only time Moyes lost us anything of note was Yak and he got a serious injury.

£4m is a hell of a lot for us.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

£4m is a hell of a lot for us.

Well he made 18m on lescott, and would make a fortune on Baines/jags if sold... Plus probably £9m profit on Fellaini, so you know... Strikes and gutters.

 

[steken1]

Wage cap guvnor, naahhhh for me sooonnnnnnnn

Wage cap Bill? But he's a triffic little player.

 

[Allezfan]

I think Moyes having no money to spend was always a half truth. Fellaini cost £15m, Yakubu £11m, Bilyaletdinov £9m, and they're just for starters, not including all his bargain buys.

I liked Moyes, but I feel the 'no cash' statement was a decoy he hid behind a bit.

Sometimes he did have money, he just spent large amounts unwisely.

Moyes spent an utterly vast ammount of money at the club. I mean we're talking more than 620 million pounds in transfers, wages and agent fees combined and less than a third of that was made back by players sold and prize fees won.

When people say he has no moeny, they mean purely in relative terms. And in relative everton under moyes spent less money than most of the league does.

We weren't wigan, we weren't crystal palace but we spent less than 13-14 other clubs and about a fifth of what clubs like liverpool and chelsea did.

In european terms, we were big spenders (we outspend dortmund, jvuentus, porto, ajax, bilbao, benfica etc in that time) but this league is so ridicuously rich and so ridiciously addicted to spending that even the vast wealth Moyes had is nothing in relative terms.

I know it feels counter intuitive to point at a guy who spent 15 million on a single player and say 'wow he's had no money' but compared to our rivals it's true.

 

[overkill]

Isn't Heigtina one of higher earners, be nice to have him off the wage bill and get a couple million for him.
Also Nevelle was one of our high earners hes off the wage bill.
Also Moyes was a high earner, I doubt Martinez will be on as much as Moyes (Although we have just blew up to £2 Million compo to get him)

We should have a couple quid as bill says to spend, which will prob be all the money from Felliani sale.

 

[pfim]

£4m is a hell of a lot for us.

Sure, but that violates the original hypothesis. Moyes makes a 4 million mistake, and we have a hole in our squad. 15 other clubs do the same, and they just buy another player.

 

[Allezfan]

Isn't Heigtina one of higher earners, be nice to have him off the wage bill and get a couple million for him.
Also Nevelle was one of our high earners hes off the wage bill.
Also Moyes was a high earner, I doubt Martinez will be on as much as Moyes (Although we have just blew up to £2 Million compo to get him)

We should have a couple quid as bill says to spend, which will prob be all the money from Felliani sale.

Our four highest earners last year were felli on 75k a week, moyes and heitinga on 65k a week and then neville on 50k a week.

It's not unreasonable to assume all four of those will be elsewhere next season. Which gives you 255k a week to play with, which is nice.

 

[Papa Shango]

Well we got 5 of it back.. so only a 4 mil loss really.. Not exactly Keane at the reds is it? Only time Moyes lost us anything of note was Yak and he got a serious injury.

We lost 2.5M on Per Kroldrup in 4 months.

 

[Groucho]

Moyes spent an utterly vast ammount of money at the club. I mean we're talking more than 620 million pounds in transfers, wages and agent fees combined and less than a third of that was made back by players sold and prize fees won.

When people say he has no moeny, they mean purely in relative terms. And in relative everton under moyes spent less money than most of the league does.

We weren't wigan, we weren't crystal palace but we spent less than 13-14 other clubs and about a fifth of what clubs like liverpool and chelsea did.

In european terms, we were big spenders (we outspend dortmund, jvuentus, porto, ajax, bilbao, benfica etc in that time) but this league is so ridicuously rich and so ridiciously addicted to spending that even the vast wealth Moyes had is nothing in relative terms.

I know it feels counter intuitive to point at a guy who spent 15 million on a single player and say 'wow he's had no money' but compared to our rivals it's true.

Relatively, yes.

 

[Jacko93]

Lol so Moyes was offered money to spend but was too cautious, he also had loads of money to spend and refused to increase wages.
Ahh why not, give up trying to make sense of the things people are hearing about Moyes now he's left.

I believe that there has been at least one occasion where exactly that was true..... as it happens, he ended up spending a little bit less of that money on somebody else, and we welcomed Fellaini instead.

I'm not ****ging Moyes off, not at all. But it would be interesting to see now, whether a strict wage structure will be kept in place, or whether, maybe for Fellaini for example, Martinez requests that we break it. If it is true that it was set by Moyes, would it be reasonable to assume that Kenwright would allow it?

I dont think that Moyes was offered fortunes to spend on wages, but I'm also told that it wasn't 'solely' BK who refused wage rises, to the point of players being moved on instead.

I dont want to speak Ill of Moyes, and I hope you dont think I am, he worked wonders for our club, and his hard work has made this a much easier job for Martinez to come in to. But with that in mind, I dont want us to do things, and for BK to do things, cause 'that's how David would of done it'. That would be of huge detriment to RM, and he needs to be given freedom to change things as he sees fit.

I guess, what I'm saying is, the king is dead, long live the king.

 

[Eggs]

We went 3 seasons without signing a first team player at one point. The fingers of blame don't point anywhere near Moyes. In fact we should be thankful that if it was him that introduced a wage cap and had the discipline to stick to it, which some managers would forget in a heartbeat, and respect that.

...I think they said on Sky that between 2009-12 Everton didn't spend £1m on any individual. Not sure if that is true, but if it is its an amazing stat.