Mind Games by Neville Southall

[The Binman]

You said he said he was "full of crap" and "deluded". I dont see those words in that transcript.

Regardless of that, he changed his tune:

“Roberto is definitely the man to lead Everton and he’s the best manager we’ve had since Howard Kendall. He will win something for us."

https://www.[Publication is blackli...mpares-martinez-to-legendary-everton-manager/

Is that after season 1? More or less, everyone makes mistakes..

 

[Mrtallywacker]

"People aren't idiots. Managers need help. They need second opinions.

Robertson Martinez was a nightmare in this regard at Everton. We'd lose 3-0 and he said we'd played really well. That we'd kept the ball really well. It was a pile of [Poor language removed], to be honest. There's a key difference between positivity and pie in the sky stuff and that difference is credibility.

If you don't try and educate yourself on knowledge gaps, you lose credibility on a topic. In this scenario, that lack of credibility leads to the crowd losing faith. This quickly filters down to the players, because you become worried that the manager isn't being honest with you or the supporters."

--Neville Southall

Was he talking about Martinez or Davek? Just asking.

God bless.

 

[Eggs]

....great player that he was, for some reason I have never warmed to Southall.

 

[wandyr79]

Excellent book, excellent man.

Just wants to get on helping people who need help, the way he works his twitter is exactly how it should be used.

Also, I think there were a lot of us fooled by Martinez's first season. It is a measure of a person to admit when they had it wrong and it was very quickly realised that a lot of us had it wrong (me included). No harm in having differing views after new evidence comes to light. He was spot on with the assessment, just like his assessment of a few of the footballers (and others) he brings up in the book.

 

[brieverton]

He remains my all-time favourite Everton player. And beyond that, a very decent, nice man.

The only player really I have had some opportunity to engage with in just informal chat on a few occasions, not the star-struck type of encounter at all. It was mostly about rescue dogs anytime I have ever had the pleasure of engaging with him. In this area, as well as many others, he has done great work in raising awareness.

Nev is simply too outspoken and honest to get a job in football, those traits are incompatible with the sort of candidates club owners and chairmen want, and with the in-built tribalism and propaganda the media facilitate.

 

[Drico]

He doesn't play the bullshit game, Big Nev. As a result, he terrifies people. His overall image is one of a maverick, and mavericks are rarely seen as safe pairs of hands - even if his were "the safest hands in soccer."

 

[blulouie]

Ex player in chatting chit shocker.

 

[banno]

Speaks as he sees it. No diplomacy from Big Nev. That is what makes some people uncomfortable because they are terrified of what Nev might say.

He was for a period the best keeper in the world and if we didn't have him who knows if we would have won the league

 

[trueblue84]

Just finished listening to it and it was very enjoyable. Didn't realise how badly treated he was at the end of his career.

In the epilogue, he says he'd like to work with Everton on mental health issues. He's not bothered about the football side... Everton, pull your finger out and make it happen. He would be a huge asset.

 

[Big Sams Undies]

Weird bloke in the main

 

[Johnny Barton]

I think there were a lot of us fooled by Martinez's first season.

Yes, but I had my doubts from his first interview.
After telling us he was fully aware of our history, then went on to refer to Harvey, Ball, Kendall as
"The Holy Trilogy"

Then in his second summer, tried to bulls@@% us all by telling us he had been watching Besic for five years since he was 17

 

[Goodison87]

The best goalkeeper I’ve ever seen in so many ways, had a few things against him like his height and quirkiness but never let them affect his performance. The pinnacle of goalkeeping. My old fella always said we only need to score one and we’ll probably win...

 

[APN_EFC]

"People aren't idiots. Managers need help. They need second opinions.

Robertson Martinez was a nightmare in this regard at Everton. We'd lose 3-0 and he said we'd played really well. That we'd kept the ball really well. It was a pile of [Poor language removed], to be honest. There's a key difference between positivity and pie in the sky stuff and that difference is credibility.

If you don't try and educate yourself on knowledge gaps, you lose credibility on a topic. In this scenario, that lack of credibility leads to the crowd losing faith. This quickly filters down to the players, because you become worried that the manager isn't being honest with you or the supporters."

--Neville Southall

This is a pretty good assessment actually of Martinez. I really liked him, and really thought he would have been good for us. But his coaching / management team were not good at all, and just one good assistant, or someone who was the opposite of him as an assistant manager or coach, or even a captain, would have helped us a lot. Or he could have taken advice. He could have stayed positive and realistic but tough to the team, he should have found a way to transmit confidence and optimism but also worked on his weaknesses - i.e. closing out games and working out different tactics for different situations. I think he's definitely a good coach as Belgium record shows, but he's got an amazing team with players who are tough, experienced pros and super talented there, and has to just not mess up. It would be interesting to see his next job as that'll show us what he's really like.

 

[DrEFC]

Guys, the thread is about Southall, not that bald, smiley fraud.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

I don't think he talks wham. He just has no filter.

Only ever heard him talk sense.