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There are hundreds of posts on here questioning the ability of our summer signings and also more established players. I honestly think that our biggest problem though is with the mentality of our players at the moment.

Re-visit the Man City match from earlier in the season. We were awesome that night (albeit against 10 men for most of it) and came as close as anyone to beating them this season. Why? The players were up for it, competed for everything and BELIEVED they could win.

That belief is long gone. And I think it is down to the mentality of the players we have in the squad. From the second Mason Holgate's pathetic header fell to Raheem sterling's boot, we have been in trouble.

The next 3 league fixtures Chelsea, Spurs and Utd have a lot to do with this, but more so when you look at the mentality of the players at the club.

Going through the squad: We signed a talented goalkeeper who has got relegated in his first full year and is used to losing every week. He doesn't yet know what it is like to be a winner. Williams and Keane - signed from clubs regularly at the bottom of the table and used to losing (seeing a pattern?) Gueye, relegated with Villa, Robles, Mccarthy, relegated with Wigan. Siggurdsson, perennial struggler with relegation at Swansea.

Let's take some of our senior pros. Jagielka, Baines, Schneiderlin. All have had bad injuries over the last few years which knocks you mentally and in the case of Baines and Jagielka, they haven't been the same since the last World Cup. Injuries aside, they were part of a squad deemed losers by the nation and have struggled with confidence since (let's not even mention Rooney - he also had the debacle of the Euros to add, plus his personal life and realisation that he isn't the player he was). Schneiderlin hasn't played anything like a full season for 4 years because of injury. What goes through his head every 50/50 tackle?

Lennon has sadly had mental health issues, whilst Besic's dad was shot and Niasse was treated in a way that would kill the confidence of anybody.

So we have a squad of perennial losers, players who have been injury ravaged and are coming to the end of their careers, players who have been drained of confidence at international level and players who have personal issues. Actually, I forgot the ones whose heads are elsewhere (Barkley and Mirallas) and the inexperienced kids who don't know what Premier League football is about yet and those recovering from career threatening injuries.

We don't need a new manager, we need a psychologist!

Point (very long and laboured post I know) is this: The mentality of our squad isn't great at the moment and some of them are clearly actually in a really bad place. We can stay on the backs of certain players, but in truth, whoever comes in, their confidence is shot. What can we do to help? Well as [Poor language removed] as it has been over the past few months, ALL we can continue to do is be positive for the players when they play in front of us.

Starting with West Ham under the floodlights on Wednesday. We can't choose the manager, or pick the team, but let's do our bit and stay positive for the 11 on the pitch - it is all we can do at the moment to have any effect on things.

I actually believe that the next few weeks could be the most important in our club's recent history - anyone else think so...?
 
There’s no doubt that the players are capable of better than this. As you say earlier in the season we were better (although still not great). Confidence is as low as it can be. There was an initial boost when Unsworth took over but that’s gone now.

Thankfully we have important players returning to the side soon. Particularly Niasse who is (unexpectedly) our most important player right now. With a new manager in charge hopefully we can build up a bit of form.

This team needs the fans on their side though, they’re fragile!
 
For all his faults (of which there were many) the mental toughness in an Everton team left in 2013 with Moyes. At times we've played better football since then, sure, but the sheer number of collapses over the past four and a bit seasons have been staggering. The 4-0 to Liverpool in January 2014 was the first sign; and it's been getting progressively worse since.

Under Moyes, it's hard to remember too many defeats by three goals or more. Heavy defeats, or goals conceded either early or in the last 20 or so minutes of games, have started to become the norm.
 

We quite literally haven't had a single good performance all season, including preseason.

We have been utterly dreadful since the very beginning.

Agree with what you are saying mostly though, sign Derren Brown.
 
Honestly stopped reading when you said we were awesome at City.

You do realise that city have played 13 times, won 12 and drawn 1.That draw being us.

Not only did we defend resolutely in that match (the likes of which we haven't seen since), we looked very dangerous on the counter.

All about context and in context of our season and the season Man City are having, I think we were awesome. Would agree that we haven't seen anything since, but as frustrating as that is, we have to stay positive as there is nothing else we can do as fans to effect the situation.
 
You do realise that city have played 13 times, won 12 and drawn 1.That draw being us.

Not only did we defend resolutely in that match (the likes of which we haven't seen since), we looked very dangerous on the counter.

All about context and in context of our season and the season Man City are having, I think we were awesome. Would agree that we haven't seen anything since, but as frustrating as that is, we have to stay positive as there is nothing else we can do as fans to effect the situation.

We were ok not awesome
 

There are hundreds of posts on here questioning the ability of our summer signings and also more established players. I honestly think that our biggest problem though is with the mentality of our players at the moment.

Re-visit the Man City match from earlier in the season. We were awesome that night (albeit against 10 men for most of it) and came as close as anyone to beating them this season. Why? The players were up for it, competed for everything and BELIEVED they could win.

That belief is long gone. And I think it is down to the mentality of the players we have in the squad. From the second Mason Holgate's pathetic header fell to Raheem sterling's boot, we have been in trouble.

The next 3 league fixtures Chelsea, Spurs and Utd have a lot to do with this, but more so when you look at the mentality of the players at the club.

Going through the squad: We signed a talented goalkeeper who has got relegated in his first full year and is used to losing every week. He doesn't yet know what it is like to be a winner. Williams and Keane - signed from clubs regularly at the bottom of the table and used to losing (seeing a pattern?) Gueye, relegated with Villa, Robles, Mccarthy, relegated with Wigan. Siggurdsson, perennial struggler with relegation at Swansea.

Let's take some of our senior pros. Jagielka, Baines, Schneiderlin. All have had bad injuries over the last few years which knocks you mentally and in the case of Baines and Jagielka, they haven't been the same since the last World Cup. Injuries aside, they were part of a squad deemed losers by the nation and have struggled with confidence since (let's not even mention Rooney - he also had the debacle of the Euros to add, plus his personal life and realisation that he isn't the player he was). Schneiderlin hasn't played anything like a full season for 4 years because of injury. What goes through his head every 50/50 tackle?

Lennon has sadly had mental health issues, whilst Besic's dad was shot and Niasse was treated in a way that would kill the confidence of anybody.

So we have a squad of perennial losers, players who have been injury ravaged and are coming to the end of their careers, players who have been drained of confidence at international level and players who have personal issues. Actually, I forgot the ones whose heads are elsewhere (Barkley and Mirallas) and the inexperienced kids who don't know what Premier League football is about yet and those recovering from career threatening injuries.

We don't need a new manager, we need a psychologist!

Point (very long and laboured post I know) is this: The mentality of our squad isn't great at the moment and some of them are clearly actually in a really bad place. We can stay on the backs of certain players, but in truth, whoever comes in, their confidence is shot. What can we do to help? Well as [Poor language removed] as it has been over the past few months, ALL we can continue to do is be positive for the players when they play in front of us.

Starting with West Ham under the floodlights on Wednesday. We can't choose the manager, or pick the team, but let's do our bit and stay positive for the 11 on the pitch - it is all we can do at the moment to have any effect on things.

I actually believe that the next few weeks could be the most important in our club's recent history - anyone else think so...?
A decent point, well made.
Football success, like in everything, is mainly sown to confidence and self belief.
That's all the new manager needs to bring.

That and a new lb, cb and some pace.
 
The players clearly didn't believe they could win at City.

They seem to believe they cannot win anywhere, it is not just confidence but IMO some players at the heart of the team are just not good enough now. The failure on their replacement was not just about money but going back to RM the misspending of the money it is back there that more attention should have been directed at the centre of the defence.
 
You sign players from relegation fights every year and then wonder why you are in a relegation battle before too long?

Shocking isn't it?
 
You sign players from relegation fights every year and then wonder why you are in a relegation battle before too long?

Shocking isn't it?

Too sentimental
The old boys club routine only works if the old boys are steeped in success, ours aren’t.
From manager down to players, we stink of losing.......
Until we change that, nothing will alter
 

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