Luke Garbutt

[Zodiak2]

Playing a left back left midfield is so 1990's
That doesn't work anymore you need real quality in attacking positions to achieve anything these days

I personally don't think baines is the greatest defender
Go watch the Southampton game
He was shocking

He was also awful defensively against Leicester last week.

 

[Eggs]

I thought at too, but I hope him playing last night alongside a contract being given has something to do with it. I think he would regret leaving for money at this stage. I think under Martinez he will be like the next Stones and he will command much higher wages, whereas if he goes to a West Brom he may well end up in the championship in 3-4 years.

Having said that we ill be due compensation. I can only hope that this might put (domestic) clubs off giving him a whopping sign on fee knowing they also have to pay a fee for a player with limited experience.

.....I think we have to be pragmatic. If I was him I'd leave and not only because of the financial rewards. From a football perspective he will remain a part player, clearly Baines is ahead of him and will be for the foreseeable future. Bit part player here or almost certain 1st choice elsewhere is a bit of a no-brainer. Saying that, I'd be chuffed if he signs.

 

[Bert1985]

He hasnt, no matter how baines is playing he'll start

Must be frustrating for both Oviedo and Garbutt

Oh I agree with you mate but I honestly believe Garbutt should be starting more. What RM does though is a totally different thing.

 

[Bert1985]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/left-back-dilemma-martinez-must-solve-8731946

O'Keeffe. I really dont like this feller's attitude on the Garbutt situation. That's a few times now he's gone out on a limb for Garbutt. He comes across like he's his agent.

Some fans criticise GO for not saying too much about the club though. It's lose lose no matter what he does.

 

[germanblue]

His left foot is a weapon. Couldn´t afford to lose him. Please sign, Luke!

 

[b17blg2]

He actually played really good attacking football last night.

 

[BlueWool85]

Put in some great deliveries.

On merit he should keep his place, but we know Leighton will be back against Arsenal.

 

[degreeinblue]

Theres not many better people than Baines at passing, first time passing and vision is top notch, I honestly think he would work in 'LDM', we can't let Garbutt go we will regret it.

 

[davek]

I think you are right about last night. Oddly I thought that was his worst game for us. In the other games he has been very assured defensively whereas in others he looked very composed and strangely bigger and more physical.

There's no doubting his quality going forward though and the quality of delivery into the box players like Lukaku will thrive on.

I am inclined to agree with you on whether he signs or not. If he can play 1/2 dozen games between now and the end of the season that is a decent number. I hope by playing him Martinez has reassured him that there will be opportunities going forward for progression into the first team. He only needs to look at Stones and Barkley for that as well as Deulofeu before him that the manager will give younger players an opportunity, and do it in a manner that they improve steadily. In all honesty he would be silly to move on to a manager like a Pulis/Allardyce who would ditch him at the first sign of an experienced Carthorse becoming available.

As you say though it's up to him. We don't know whether he wants more money or more game time, and that can only be solved by offering more game time. I think under Martinez's guise the lad could go on to play for England. I don't think Shaw is any better than him. But he does need to meet Martinez half way and recognise it may be a couple of years before he is a regular first team player.

He reminds me of John Stones when he first came in. You could see Stones had real ability, outstanding attributes in areas. But he was a bit shakey when he first started and would get caught under high balls quite a lot. Stones has really improved defensively though over the last 12-18 months. This should show us two things. 1) Garbutt if he has his head screwed on should want to remain with Martinez to continue to improve. And 2) Martinez can develop and improve defenders.

Stones was lucky as he had Distin in front of him who has thrown his toys out of the pram. Baines won't do that, so Garbutt will need to wait a bit more. But as you have said, he needs to see this for himself.

I think he's a solid player now who could become something more than that. That's the way any contract talk has to be played with him.

He's made his point about wanting first team play and he's gained a few outings. Now he needs to repay that faith by signing a contract extension. I actually dont think he will sign again. It's been my suspicion that he's using the outings he gets in Europe to showcase himself for a summer move. That's the only thing that makes sense to me here. He's been told he's the future at that LB position so sign a deal.

Time for him to **** or get off the pot. Tbh, the only thing that interests me is that Everton get a decent fee for him if he moves from a tribunal.

 

[davek]

Some fans criticise GO for not saying too much about the club though. It's lose lose no matter what he does.

I dont trust that feller. He seems to have taken up an antagonistic/surly position on Martinez in recent weeks. He's playing too much to the gallery - believing that the tide has turned against RM.

End of the day - he's just a flunky journo who works for the local press. It's not his job to go to bat for a player against his manager/the club over contract issues.

 

[chicoazul]

Very energetic. I like him.

 

[Furey1878]

£100k a week, guaranteed starting position, and our blessing to go to Liverpool if we haven't won the Champions League by 2018 should do it.

Get it sorted, Bobby.

 

[catcherintherye]

I think he's a solid player now who could become something more than that. That's the way any contract talk has to be played with him.

He's made his point about wanting first team play and he's gained a few outings. Now he needs to repay that faith by signing a contract extension. I actually dont think he will sign again. It's been my suspicion that he's using the outings he gets in Europe to showcase himself for a summer move. That's the only thing that makes sense to me here. He's been told he's the future at that LB position so sign a deal.

Time for him to **** or get off the pot. Tbh, the only thing that interests me is that Everton get a decent fee for him if he moves from a tribunal.

Yes I think that sums it up. I hope he has enough sense to sign a deal and I think Martinez will bring him on nicely.

 

[catcherintherye]

.....I think we have to be pragmatic. If I was him I'd leave and not only because of the financial rewards. From a football perspective he will remain a part player, clearly Baines is ahead of him and will be for the foreseeable future. Bit part player here or almost certain 1st choice elsewhere is a bit of a no-brainer. Saying that, I'd be chuffed if he signs.

Well yes there is that. I suppose all we can sell to him is we are a settled team with a manager of trying to bring through younger players as part of his vision. Contrary to what some think, we have an ok record bringing players through as well and he would be learning from the best in the game in Leighton Baines.
I think that's how we have to try and "sell" it to him, and obviously explain that as time goes on more opportunities will come up. I do think Martinez wants to shift Baines into a more central or further forward position.

Of course he could go to a Palace, or a West Brom and be first choice. But what do you do when they sack their manager or Pulis leaves and you're not flavour of the months anymore? Young players rarely fair well in such situations.
There's a lot made of lack of opportunities for young players. But to me a big part of it comes from the lack of stability that clubs have. They live hand to mouth just trying to stay up every season without too much thought beyond that.

We are a little different in that. I hope Garbutt signs.

 

[marty mcfly]

Theres not many better people than Baines at passing, first time passing and vision is top notch, I honestly think he would work in 'LDM', we can't let Garbutt go we will regret it.

I flip flop on this because it's a very difficult decision however I think Roberto has to just make a footballing decision and play whoever he thinks is best at the moment.

I definitely don't want to see Baines dropped but he is coming back from a knee injury and we'll need him at his very best for the Europa League knockout games so it does make sense to give Garbutt a run of games in the League. I would probably play Garbutt against Arsenal and re-evaluate then.