Lifes A Pitch (Moyes would like to leave)

[Jeff Jones]

It would take too long to offer opinions on all the points made here, but all we're doing is guessing what would've happened if
Moyes hadn't been here, and what will happen if he goes.
The lack of trophies seems to be the biggest complaint, but trophies aren't the be all and end all, imo. Everton have won eight
major trophies in my time, but I've had many, many happy days supporting Everton which didn't involve silverware.
Let's say he had won the FA Cup in 2009, or the League Cup when we got close, or even the Europa League when we had that great run. Would we have been much, or any happier with him if our 'happy with top 8' league performances been the same
during his time here?
Maybe he would've done better with more money, we'll never know, but he has spent well with what he's had, I think.
He does get things wrong tactically, imo, and I get very impatient. I couldn't have cared less if he'd walked out after the Wigan match and I hate the way he selects the team and uses the bench. I can't understand why he doesn't give the young players any encouragement.
He'll go one day, and then we'll be better able to assess his time here, because we'll have something to compare it to.

 

[Mogwai]

I really can't stand all this net spend league table nonsense. I've made this point before, but it is true; if there was a direct correlation between expenditure and performance then you would be able to make a killing at the bookies, but you can't and nobody does.

It's not how much money you spend, but how you spend the money that counts, which is why Moyes is a very valuable asset. Liverpool are an example of money being spent badly, and I take it they are (cliche alert!) 'punching below their weight' whilst Everton are eternally 'punching above their weight'? It's a load of metaphorical nonsense, because there's no weigh in and there's no jabbing, just one manager spending their money better than the other. Something which has happened for years.

There is a 'glass ceiling' that is hard to penetrate in the Premier League, with 4 Champions League places being fought over by 4 or 5 clubs who are willing to spend an awful lot more money than the likes of Everton to try and get there and stay there. But from 5th place downwards I'd imagine that there are more than a few 'anomalies' taking place. Everton doing better than Liverpool, Swansea doing better than Newcastle, West Brom doing better than Villa, Wigan doing better than QPR. How many anomalies do there have to be before you acknowledge that there isn't a direct correlation?

Moyes isn't breaking the rules of physics, he is just very good at spending his money wisely, which is an asset or a skill that is worth it's weight in gold in today's football, so I think we would be mad to get rid of him! But the day I start subscribing to the notion that "Financially, Everton should be finishing 14th" Is the day I jack football in.

Fortunately, football is still a team game where loads of random ****e can still happen over the course of 90 minutes. And as Everton and other clubs prove, there is not a direct correlation between expenditure and performance, thank god!

This!..... It is the exact point I was trying to make a few months ago when everyone was all hating..... Moyes is taken for granted... a lot of people won't realise this till he is gone....

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

So, could we maybe get Moyes in as a scout then instead?

been suggesting for years that a team like Everton would be better suited to a management team. The idea goes down really badly because of high profile messes with joint managers but its probably something that goes on informally at many successful sides. the pro and anti Moyes people are saying pretty much the same things anyway about him as a manager, the debate is how much his good qualities are essential and his lesser qualities are going to start to effect us even more as his tenure goes on. an arrangement about someone coming in who is better with game to game tactics probably could have been done a few years back but now his ego and profile is too big probably.

 

[Jags..class]

This!..... It is the exact point I was trying to make a few months ago when everyone was all hating..... Moyes is taken for granted... a lot of people won't realise this till he is gone....

Spot on, Moyes had been great for us and given us something to be proud of, we were a joke of a club before he came along.

 

[harry]

Spot on, Moyes had been great for us and given us something to be proud of, we were a joke of a club before he came along.

Have you really just written that. We was a joke club before moyes? Wow.

 

[The Esk]

I had to take a helicopter somewhere yesterday from Battersea Heliport and got talking to the pilot. He reckoned he had had Moyes and "the special one" in his helicopter in recent weeks (not at the same time) and claimed that both were house hunting in and around London

 

[Big Fat Sam]

We all know we'd get somebody completely underwhelming as a replacement if Moyes was ever go to.

What decent manager would want to come here knowing the only trophy he'll ever be able to win is the one for finishing in seventh?

What manger would choose us over a club able to invest in its squad and compete for trophies?

We'd end up with somebody **** imo, or probably an ex-player, or Phil Neville. Completely terrifying thinking about it tbh.

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

We all know we'd get somebody completely underwhelming as a replacement if Moyes was ever go to.

What decent manager would want to come here knowing the only trophy he'll ever be able to win is the one for finishing in seventh?

What manger would choose us over a club able to invest in its squad and compete for trophies?

We'd end up with somebody **** imo, or probably an ex-player, or Phil Neville. Completely terrifying thinking about it tbh.

exactly what would happen.. we would get in someone who has no experience of football, probably someone who used to work moving scenery on Doctor Who, then he would sell Fellaini, Baines and Jagielka for 2 million pounds which he would spend on a goalkeeper who has not played for ten years because of agrophobia. The rest of the squad would be loaned to West Brom in exchange for a player we later find out they don't even own. Should be entertaining though

 

[Philw]

We all know we'd get somebody completely underwhelming as a replacement if Moyes was ever go to.

What decent manager would want to come here knowing the only trophy he'll ever be able to win is the one for finishing in seventh?

What manger would choose us over a club able to invest in its squad and compete for trophies?

We'd end up with somebody **** imo, or probably an ex-player, or Phil Neville. Completely terrifying thinking about it tbh.

exactly what would happen.. we would get in someone who has no experience of football, probably someone who used to work moving scenery on Doctor Who, then he would sell Fellaini, Baines and Jagielka for 2 million pounds which he would spend on a goalkeeper who has not played for ten years because of agrophobia. The rest of the squad would be loaned to West Brom in exchange for a player we later find out they don't even own. Should be entertaining though

Moyes had 3 yrs 3rd tier and 1yr 2nd tier managerial experience when he came here. The club is in a much better position now, despite Bill/The Board's failings. I'm not saying that therefore we'll get a better manager, but we should have a better chance as we should be an attractive proposition to more managers than we were at that point.