Liberalism and the Death Penalty

[peteblue]

But then in the new testament Jesus basically went 'you know all that stuff in the old testament... Well, er, basically it was bollocks.'

"It is no longer an eye for an eye..." and all that.

That must have been after God had sent the ten plagues and drowned the Egyptian army in the red sea then......

 

[evilwebby]

So you say that 'rapists, murderers and child abusers' should be killed.

What about somebody who breaks into an old lady's house, punches the living s**t out of her and robs her blind. She survives. Should he be killed, or is it okay because she survived ?

Then you have a 20 year old who gets into a fight on a night out and punches another lad so hard that it kills him. Gets done for murder. Should he be killed ?

The death penalty is utter b*llocks, always has been and always will be.

Killing another human being as punishment will never be justifiable, it's an easy way out and society's way of washing their hands rather than taking responsibility and trying to change the world we live in.

You're right. Hitler and Pol Pot should have just been thrown in prison.

 

[chicoazul]

LADS DAT ANDY DUFRESNE WOULD HAVE BEEN MURDERED IF DEY HAD THE DEF PENALTY AND HE WAZ INOSENT

Best post in the thread.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Best post in the thread.

I said that about 3 posts in ffs.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Andy and Red would have got the chair if they'd had the death penalty in that state so I can't be doing with it. Even though Red was guilty. He was cool.

Ok it was 7 posts in but I'm not having Del stealing my thunder

 

[peteblue]

Ok it was 7 posts in but I'm not having Del stealing my thunder

Yeah, but IT DA WAY YE SAY I' LIKE......

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Reading (Listening) to the Book of Deuteronomy today.

You wanna talk about death penalty. Plenty of it in the Old Testament. Read it...interesting stuff.

I've just been having a look and most references i can find so far seem to be simply to those "crimes" which are deemed to be worthy of it. No discussion of the implications of it like we're having in this thread or anything like that.

Of course the actual crimes it suggest are worthy of it are interesting and representitive of a different time.

 

[degsy]

the old...' kill em all and let God sort them out ' opinion, though I do have some sympathy for it. The older you get you do tend to go conservative with a small 'c' on some things...I think they call it growing up.

 

[Del]

Ok it was 7 posts in but I'm not having Del stealing my thunder

LAD U GOTTA WORD IT LIK DIS OR DER PEEPS DONT GET IT

I WON DER BESTEST POST EVER COMP LID

 

[neville]

I grew up mostly in Liverpool and the only person I talked politics with was my dad, who is slightly to the left of Lenin. Therefore I spent most of my youth believing I was right wing, until I actually met some real right wingers and found out I wasn't.

But the thing is while I lean to the left in the vast majority of issues, I am conservative on others. I'm not keen on the current levels of immigration, I'm in favor of an aggressive large military and I approve of the death penalty. It's the latter that sometimes stands out as being against the kind of the whole left thing ethos. We're meant to be the forgiving non vindictives one, right.

But to me I guess that's not really the case. I've always thought the difference between the left and the right is the right believe society owes something to individuals and the left that individuals owe something to society. So a right winger would believe that the richest men should get tax breaks as a reward for their success while a left winger believe he should be taxed the hardest so as to leave the community better off.

I believe that a country is a society and that we should look after each other rather than each looking after ourselves. I want to know that the bloke without a job doesn't starve and the women with kidney failiure doesn't die and I'm happy paying for it in taxes if I know they'll do the same for me if I'm in trouble.

If the attitude the right has is that everyone gets where they deserve to be and people who require handouts are just lazy then the attitude the left has is that everyone gets where they end up partly by luck and there but for the grace of god go, I. I might have been the unemployed one, or the ill one, or the pregnant one, or the gay one, or the one in need of asylum or the muslim or whatever.

And that extends to criminals. The right wing treats the criminal as an individual who was sinned against another inidivdual and should be punished. The left views him as a part of scoiety who should be ultimately be rehabilitated and brought back into the fold. It's why I prefer chain gangs and other forms of prison work where it seems like the prisoner is paying back his debt to society to the likes of maximum security detention.

Onlly sometimes a guy does something that means you can't count him as part of the community anymore. To me rapists and murders and child abusers will never be accepted back in our society. They're not someone who I could ever be, grace of god or not, so I feel no debt to them.

We should just kill the bastards and move on.

Brilliant post mate the bits in bold are exactly my point of view as well

 

[degsy]

The trouble with the (old) British death penalty, was it was so inflexible ( no not that way ) you killed some, one you 99/100 hung. There were almost NO extenuating circumstances. I'm sure that more were executed because of this than poor police work.
Keep it as the Ultimate punishment, but remember just like Homosexuality, it is only legal ( or not illegal )...it isn't compulsory. The shirt lifting or neck stetching option is alway avaliable if circumstances warrant.