Kone Signs on 3 Year Deal

[andybaker]

id rather pay £5/£6M for a player who is going to potentially give us 3-4 good years if he stays free of injury.

****in hell how old was kevin campbell when he came and saved us and we were wanking over him.

20 goal a season forwards cost ****loads and we aint got it, people need to start dealing in the real world and not football manager.

Say we buy a 20 year old for £2M and hes unreal...everyone will only be moaning in a years time when we sell him for £30M

Thats what people want then? We are the club that takes the gamble on players and then sells them to the top clubs for big money cos thats good business?

Honestly, you cant win with some people...bet the same people are pissing and moaning over Baines...we signed him for circa £6M...and are potentially going to make £10M on him. Good business?

Weve got to think short term im afraid, take a few punts and hope one or two work for a season or 2 and we might, if were lucky, sneak into a champions league place. That is the only way we are ever going to be able to go for proven quality players aged 23-25.

Were in a position where we have to take a bit of a gamble and if a player can offer us 2/3 seasons were gonna have to take it.

Also, im not sure what people expected RMs first signings to be. Look at Moyes...first players managers go to are the ones the know they can trust and are gonna do a job for them. He wont be signing the wigan squad FFS so just chill the **** out. Hes going for a forwrad that could easy get us 15 goals next season and a centre half combined circa £6M.

Some people just wanna ****in moan at anything

 

[By god I'm blue]

id rather pay £5/£6M for a player who is going to potentially give us 3-4 good years if he stays free of injury.

****in hell how old was kevin campbell when he came and saved us and we were wanking over him.

20 goal a season forwards cost ****loads and we aint got it, people need to stop dealing in the real world and not football manager.

Say we buy a 20 year old for £2M and hes unreal...everyone will only be moaning in a years time when we sell him for £30M

Thats what people want then? We are the club that takes the gamble on players and then sells them to the top clubs for big money cos thats good business?

Honestly, you cant win with some people...bet the same people are pissing and moaning over Baines...we signed him for circa £6M...and are potentially going to make £10M on him. Good business?

Weve got to think short term im afraid, take a few punts and hope one or two work for a season or 2 and we might, if were lucky, sneak into a champions league place. That is the only way we are ever going to be able to go for proven quality players aged 23-25.

Were in a position where we have to take a bit of a gamble and if a player can offer us 2/3 seasons were gonna have to take it.

Also, im not sure what people expected RMs first signings to be. Luck at Moyes...first players managers go to are the ones the know they can trust and are gonna do a job for them. He wont be signing the wigan squad FFS so just chill the **** out. Hes going for a forwrad that could easy get us 15 goals next season and a centre half combined circa £6M.

Some people just wanna ****in moan at anything

Nail on head

 

[Azzurri]

Wages = low.

Doesn't mind the bench.

Saha was 30+ with a shocking injury record but slotted 10 a season. We paid him 80k a week.

Hes an option. We are generally out of options in the squad.

Nope.

 

[davek]

It shouldn't make a difference, and as mentioned before, we do need players for the here and now. But the situation Everton are currently in, we do have to look at player resale value. Not saying that should be the only factor, but it does have to be considered.
For the past 10 years, our transfer budget has been predominantly made up from player sales, so if we want to have a future transfer budget, the obvious conclusion is that we need players that we can sell in the future. Whether or not additional funds can be found, and the reasons for the current situation is a discussion for another thread, but at the moment, future player value does have to be considered.

I call that doing the board's work for them.

You and I and everyone else should let them worry about that. If they dont find the cash in future that's needed then it's *their asset* - the one they want to make a profit off - they're devaluing, so let them take the strain they should have been doing all along.

Screw resale value. Too many supporters act like accountants...which suits these bastards down to the ground because they can exploit that conservatism.

 

[swisso]

Hope he addresses the squad age at some point... its really not a good strategy for Everton to be signing old, highly paid players.

Can understand that hes probably not thinking of the future just yet as hes just arrived, but he'll have to at some point because hes only hurting his own transfer funds down the line.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I just hope we can sign a few more players the Moyes FC fans hate...then they might take the logical step and go and support their hero at Man United and leave us in peace.

McGeady next please Mr Martinez.

What an odd post that is.

So anyone questioning the signing of Kone is a Moyes lover, who just wants to have a pop & should go follow United? Brilliant.

Maybe people could just have the opinion that Kone isn't all that Dave.

I doubt you'd be extolling the lads virtues if it was Moyes being linked with him like, in fact I reckon you'd be arguing the converse & spouting off about 'lack of ambition' et al.

 

[Blue_Berry]

id rather pay £5/£6M for a player who is going to potentially give us 3-4 good years if he stays free of injury.

****in hell how old was kevin campbell when he came and saved us and we were wanking over him.

20 goal a season forwards cost ****loads and we aint got it, people need to stop dealing in the real world and not football manager.

Say we buy a 20 year old for £2M and hes unreal...everyone will only be moaning in a years time when we sell him for £30M

Thats what people want then? We are the club that takes the gamble on players and then sells them to the top clubs for big money cos thats good business?

Honestly, you cant win with some people...bet the same people are pissing and moaning over Baines...we signed him for circa £6M...and are potentially going to make £10M on him. Good business?
Weve got to think short term im afraid, take a few punts and hope one or two work for a season or 2 and we might, if were lucky, sneak into a champions league place. That is the only way we are ever going to be able to go for proven quality players aged 23-25.

Were in a position where we have to take a bit of a gamble and if a player can offer us 2/3 seasons were gonna have to take it.

Also, im not sure what people expected RMs first signings to be. Luck at Moyes...first players managers go to are the ones the know they can trust and are gonna do a job for them. He wont be signing the wigan squad FFS so just chill the **** out. Hes going for a forwrad that could easy get us 15 goals next season and a centre half combined circa £6M.

Some people just wanna ****in moan at anything

Very good point mate, but the thing for me is that Baines, above anyone else in our squad right now, is our talisman. We have a very good team which at times last season threatened to blast into the top 4 - a few undisciplined draws against weak teams lost us about the 10 extra points we would have needed to get there comfortably. It is a huge risk IMHO to allow your top players to leave in one go and cash in to 'rebuild for the future'. It needs to be an evolution, not a revolution (how do we know whether Martinez has the guile to pull of a revolution??).

Baines for me represents the heartbeat of our side. Nearly everything happens through him. If he goes now, most fans will feel we have lost our mojo, and worse still, the remaining players may feel the same - although Kev brings us hope.

I'd rather keep Felli and Bainesy and crack on with 3 or 4 new and complementary additions (they ain't going to be superstars, but you never know). The likes of Barkley, Duffy Stones should be welcome additions to the first team squad on a permanent basis. But if we do have to sell to buy, then Felli is the one to sacrifice for me. Bainesy Is our most potent creative force.

Just my view like...

 

[davek]

What an odd post that is.

So anyone questioning the signing of Kone is a Moyes lover, who just wants to have a pop & should go follow United? Brilliant.

Maybe people could just have the opinion that Kone isn't all that Dave.

I doubt you'd be extolling the lads virtues if it was Moyes being linked with him like, in fact I reckon you'd be arguing the converse & spouting off about 'lack of ambition' et al.

Yes, it probably was OTT. Though it defo applies to *some*.

They sound like the supporters of the Ayatollah waiting for his return from exile. Proper cultist outlook regarding the *Moyesiah*.

You'd think he'd actually won something for us.

 

[Penno]

I'll be made up if we sign Kone. Good strong player, adds a bit of umph.

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

well if thats your way of thinking, lets sell Baines then ay!





Bleach Please!

ill let Everton worry about the business, i wanna see good football and goals.

couldn't agree more. the second I am watching a player with sell on value being the first thing on my mind is the day I stop watching. people keep talking about business and ignoring the crucial part of business anyway...a product that people want to see

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

He was atrocious, no denying that. But, he deserves another chance in my book. When he is on it, he is deadly. No idea what went wrong last year with him, but different manager and tactics might be the making of him.

I believe in Jelavic.

So did I but he wound me up last season

It wasn't all loss of form. It was down to his attitude as well

 

[andybaker]

Very good point mate, but the thing for me is that Baines, above anyone else in our squad right now, is our talisman. We have a very good team which at times last season threatened to blast into the top 4 - a few undisciplined draws against weak teams lost us about the 10 extra points we would have needed to get there comfortably. It is a huge risk IMHO to allow your top players to leave in one go and cash in to 'rebuild for the future'. It needs to be an evolution, not a revolution (how do we know whether Martinez has the guile to pull of a revolution??).

Baines for me represents the heartbeat of our side. Nearly everything happens through him. If he goes now, most fans will feel we have lost our mojo, and worse still, the remaining players may feel the same - although Kev brings us hope.

I'd rather keep Felli and Bainesy and crack on with 3 or 4 new and complementary additions (they ain't going to be superstars, but you never know). The likes of Barkley, Duffy Stones should be welcome additions to the first team squad on a permanent basis. But if we do have to sell to buy, then Felli is the one to sacrifice for me. Bainesy Is our most potent creative force.

Just my view like...

Mine to...which is why i questioned the good business?

Is it **** good business to sell your best player just to make a profit. Which for me is why we shouldnt be signing players just to make a profit!

We should be signing players because whether it be for the short, medium or long term, they add to the squad.

Ive yet to see one person yet say a damn good reason why Kone and Alcaraz wont add anything to our squad.

I want to keep baines AND fellaini. We could afford to lose Fellaini cos tbh, when hes not arsed its not even worth having him on the pitch, and 10 goal a season midfielders can be replaced.

Weve potentially just added 15 goals to the side and people are moaning cos we havent spent £15M+ on an unproven 24 year old from the dutch league or some ****.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

who cares about his age? really its not a problem so long as he scores goals.
I am more than happy to buy Kone if he scores 15+ goals in a season. At the end of his contract we'll get nothing for him and that's fine.

My question to people complaining about his age is this--
when you say you'd prefer a 24 year old to him are you picturing a 24 year old version of Kone? So he can develop into a better player still? Well that would cost more...
Is it so that we can recoup on his development when he improves in future?
Berty M knows him, Berty will want to win over fans and sceptics alike, I highly doubt he'll get clouded by one year's worth of personal interaction with Kone to end up paying over the odds for him...

 

[harry]

Jelavic who couldn't hit a cow on the arse with a banjo or stand upright for 10 consecutive seconds? Yes.

From what people have told me who watch Kone on a regular basis he is excellent at holding the ball up and bringing others into the attack, he also has a good turn of pace. they said he needs to be a little better infront of goal but all in all better than what we have.

 

[throughthewindandthedrain]

Mine to...which is why i questioned the good business?

Is it **** good business to sell your best player just to make a profit. Which for me is why we shouldnt be signing players just to make a profit!

We should be signing players because whether it be for the short, medium or long term, they add to the squad.

Ive yet to see one person yet say a damn good reason why Kone and Alcaraz wont add anything to our squad.

I want to keep baines AND fellaini. We could afford to lose Fellaini cos tbh, when hes not arsed its not even worth having him on the pitch, and 10 goal a season midfielders can be replaced.

Weve potentially just added 15 goals to the side and people are moaning cos we havent spent £15M+ on an unproven 24 year old from the dutch league or some ****.

seems to me he must know what he is getting with both and the fact that they are safe signings doesn't make them poor signings at all. everyone knows we need depth and quality. I was hoping Kone would cost less just cos it meant there was going to be moaning but our lack of options up front has to be dealt with and this is a start. it would have been a strange manager who waited to buy good squad players till he got a crowd pleaser just in case it seemed bad to all us impatient punters on forums. although don't agree completely about Fellaini, his dips are mainly just by his standards and a run in his right position will mean he is worth much more than we will get for him