Joy Deprived

[BlueStevie35]

Just me who’s enjoyed this season then? Yeah we’ve had some bad results but overall I’ve been satisfied with what I’ve seen, I’ve got to experience HDS and I’ve been able to shut off from the game quickly because I’ve learnt a long time ago not to dwell on results too long cos it turns you either into Mr Positivity or a bitter, twisted pissant

 

[matty1878]

christ, and christ.

everyone who is needs my meds

i don’t need them

 

[maccavennie]

christ.

Lets hope hes better with crosses than Tarkowski was on Sunday mate!

 

[matty1878]

Lets hope hes better with crosses than Tarkowski was on Sunday mate!

i’m unsure

 

[Timbucktoo]

….was thinking earlier, I was born into a world with RS outside the top flight and have seen the likes of United, Spurs, City (plenty) and Chelsea drop. I think there’s only Arsenal and ourselves that have maintained top flight status in my lifetime.

What a beautiful world it was back then.

 

[RufusCat]

Just me who’s enjoyed this season then? Yeah we’ve had some bad results but overall I’ve been satisfied with what I’ve seen, I’ve got to experience HDS and I’ve been able to shut off from the game quickly because I’ve learnt a long time ago not to dwell on results too long cos it turns you either into Mr Positivity or a bitter, twisted pissant

Unfortunately too many of those about. "Lets be miserable, and make everybody else the same"

 

[Lanolin]

Just me who’s enjoyed this season then? Yeah we’ve had some bad results but overall I’ve been satisfied with what I’ve seen, I’ve got to experience HDS and I’ve been able to shut off from the game quickly because I’ve learnt a long time ago not to dwell on results too long cos it turns you either into Mr Positivity or a bitter, twisted pissant

As somebody who goes to every home game but isn't going to aways I'd say this season has been up there with the least enjoyable seasons I've ever had. The stadium is great but the home form has been appalling, the football has been dull and the kick off times have been a colossal pain in the arse. I really enjoyed the Brighton game and the Chelsea game, other than that it's been a real chore.

 

[Daytripper]

It’s a pretty boring and predictable club , same narratives year after year, same kind of gaslighting from the lackeys.

A fools hope remains in me , one day something will truly change for the better i guess.

Only thing I truly like about it these days is talking to other fans and their opinions.

 

[Bez2k2k]

Lots of sense here.

For every Ireola ( spelling?), Emery and Glasner there is a David 'two-pots-in-40yrs' Moyes ( including Division 2 promotion with Preston).

1. Tactics- He does not have football to beat good teams ( never won an away game in 43 against top 4 in his first stint)
2. Market - His track record for finding elite players is mixed. Last summer 130m?+ and the only player to make a positive impact all season is KDH. Nowhere near good enough.
3. We are stable now, we have seemingly good ownership...

So how long do we persist with Moyes. Do we need more 'stability' next year? I think his graft , achievements and the personality of the team in his first stint here, done within the constraints of awful ownership, will long connect with many fans forever . It was pretty brilliant.

So I feel guilty considering when/ whether he should move on. Hopefully we make Europe and supporters get a little more intrigue to our season. Moyes will have deserved those away days too.

But I just don't see that in our football or a third pot in nearly 40 years ( if you do include that 2nd div promotion with Preston + euro conf league ) without fixing the positions he failed to fix with a lot of money last summer.

Tactically nothing made much sense Vs RS 2nd half, either. Same old.

2 pots in 40 years. Even my snooker is better than that.

I feel like: Let's grab Europe and next season enjoy it with a decent forward and FB. And if Moyes can't deliver that, then his work in V1 ( punching above our weight , regular Europe, FA CUP final) and V2, help stabilise, is done and with great credit.

You see the thing is the football has actually been pretty good. For the first time probably since Martinez and Carlo I have found us entertaining to watch. We have had some belter results. United away, Chelsea at home, Newcastle away, yes we are a work in progress but there is definitely progress.

The accountability factor will always be there. We would all like nothing more than to know who’s actually signing the players but the reality is we will probably never know, I imagine Grealish was a Moyes signing and Dibling wasn’t, so I understand the situation with spending money but we will never truly know who’s buying who.

I do think an out of the blue marquee signing in the summer gets us off to a good start. Someone who gets everyone talking. Personally I think McTominay would be great. Can Moyes use his Scottish connection to pry him from Italy and get him back to the North West? His much would it take etc? It’s all guessing games at the moment but has Moyes done enough to earn him the right to be here and continue, of course he has.

Do we need to work on some stuff, yes, we have conceded goals from corners against Spurs, Liverpool, Brentford, so there’s defo work to be done but we have been in most games and we are defo better. The problem will be keeping the better players but hopefully with the stadium and the attraction there we can now keep these guys and maybe get them better than ever contracts.

Tactically second half against Liverpool we did ok. It’s easy to say we should have done more but we scored and then did ok. You have to remember they didn’t do much either and luckily they have scored a jammy header they had 6 shots on target and we had 4, we also should have had a penalty.

Onto the next game, straight into West Ham and we win. Simple as. They were average last night and we need to turn up. We need another good 2/3 nil and then City is a free hit. It’s not all doom and gloom. Sure the derby hurts but it’s just 3 points. If we had spend half a billion and play how they did I would expect our fans to be as quiet as what they were on Sunday. If it would have finished 1-1 then their end would have been toxic, remember that. Everyone got lucky their on Sunday, their fans, their team, their boss.

 

[witchdoc187]

I read a stat. We are the only english club this century to not experience a cup win or promotion or any form of success. Thats depressing

I'm not sure that's true. Also not entirely sure I want to experience a relegation

 

[Bally1989]

It’s a pretty boring and predictable club , same narratives year after year, same kind of gaslighting from the lackeys.

A fools hope remains in me , one day something will truly change for the better i guess.

Only thing I truly like about it these days is talking to other fans and their opinions.

Few lackeys on here.

 

[Bally1989]

Unfortunately too many of those about. "Lets be miserable, and make everybody else the same"

Honestly though we haven't done a tap in 30 years. This fanbase is crying out to be happy, look at the way we welcomed the team in on Sunday.

Unfortunately the truth hurts like the way some blues couldn't accept Bill Kenwright was single handily ruining this club while pretending to be its number one fan. If you prefer to live in ignorant bliss don't come on here gaslighting everyone else that we are just "bed wetters".

 

[Vaughan]

we’re the most romantic team in the country though, we have that

 

[Lanolin]

I'm not sure that's true. Also not entirely sure I want to experience a relegation

It is true. The only club with a longer drought of any 'success' (trophy or promotion) than ours was Oldham, but they were promoted from the Conference last season to make us the longest suffering side in that respect. As I said earlier, I'm not saying I'd like to get relegated to achieve promotion, but it is it's own peculiar purgatory that we're in where there have been incredibly few days of pure joy and pride for us to revel in.

 

[Moonlight dribble]

That only holds water if it's true that we cant demonstrate we can beat them (we have even in recent years with the massive wealth disparity) and that other club's outside the elite (with much less resources than us) cant beat Liverpool either: but Palace have their number in recent seasons for example.

There's a link between finances and success, but it's not completely determinant. And in no way shape or form does it explain an appalling record of 4 wins and 16 losses to Liverpool in any managers career here. That's down to the individual not being able to motivate players for a derby and keep calm and make the right tactical decisions on the day.

There's nothing structural about his record; it's way beyond those sorts of explanations. It's down to him. He doesn't prioritise these games; it doesn't mean as much to him; and, overwhelmingly, he hasn't got the technical ability in any case to be the difference in these games.

I kind of agree with you that in the cold light of day, Liverpool most of the time want it more. There players are hyped to max, Suarez dive in front of Moyes, Van Dijk many headed goals, Gerrard cupping ears, Fowler sniffing lines. Most of their players have beef in a way we don't. Maybe their own egos despise being disliked who knows. Definitely they treat it like a cup final and we don't.