2020/21 James Rodriguez

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ForeverBlue92

Player Valuation: £70m
No. Under Moyes we had some committed players, but they were total bottlers. It's people like you who forget. They were losers too. You eulogise about Moyes but then go and compare them to a Liverpool team that won things.

Liverpool already had Salah, Mane and Firmino, but had a non-existent defence and a cardboard cutout GK. So they got a huge sum of money for Coutinho and spent a fortune on Alisson and Van Dijk to correct that. That's an entirely different scenario to us.

We have at best an average defence, a non-existent midfield, no quality wide players and a good but flawed striker. And we are looking to push out the only player that can elevate us above all the other dross around us in the league, for the first sniff of money. It's utter, utter madness. We don't create anything- James does.

Plus the thought of getting rid of James only to allow Benitez and his collection of scouting betamaxes that he shares with Tony Pulis to be responsible for the replacement terrifies me. He has always been terrible in the transfer market and (with the exception of Newcastle) he has been at clubs with much greater pulling power than we currently have.

So you honestly wouldn't trade the effort we had under Moyes compared to what we've had to endure for the past number of seasons under Martinez/Koeman/Silva/Ancelotti?

All we have seen lately is the same suspects dodge 50/50's, stroll around, not pressing, not tackling, pointing and hiding at team mates whilst pretending to look busy we need a change in direction.

Players like James who's extremely talented is great but there is a reason why he is at a midtable club and not a Champions League one and thats his injuries/attitude/work ethic.

The likes of him, Gomes, Iwobi, Benard, Siggurdsson all the same type of player - tippy tappy, nice on the ball but nowhere to be seen when the opposition fancy a battle on the day.

Richarlison is a good player but he has fight/work ethic

Godfrey is a good player but he has fight/work ethic

DCL is a good player but has work ethic and starting to show some fight to his game

We need to start bringing in more players like them as thats how we start climbing the table and punching above our weight - not building a team around a fella who's never fit, is indulged and above his team mates and wont be here in 12 months time.
 

hoppy

Player Valuation: £950k
Every club will be looking to get rid of players they do not want and balance the books Everton need to get rid of more players who are on Too much money
Grealish to Man City 100 million price tag sorry not worth that
Harry Kane to Man City 160 million crazy money if it happens
 

BlueToff

Player Valuation: £70m
this is just a taster of the destablilsing influence he can be when he's not happy. He raiises an eyebrow and twitter goes crazy. If he wante dto go, he can go. He certainly doesn't want to stay at Everton, so this is just pure snide aimed at Benitez
It has less to do with Benitez and more to do with the board.

Benitez and James are professionals. Benitez will know that James can be a very useful player for him, especially to keep fans onside. If he doesn't realise that, he's thick.

The club will need to shift his wages because we're completely useless at the top.
 

BlueToff

Player Valuation: £70m
Every club will be looking to get rid of players they do not want and balance the books Everton need to get rid of more players who are on Too much money
Grealish to Man City 100 million price tag sorry not worth that
Harry Kane to Man City 160 million crazy money if it happens
Everton do need to get rid of players who are on too much money.

There are four here: Fabian Delph, Andre Gomes, Alex Iwobi, Gylfi Sigurdsson (caveats for that last one).

Those four should all be shown the door before James is even being considered being unwanted. But that would rely on our DoF actually being able to get those players out of the door, which he's shown time and again over the last 3 years that he can't do.
 

BlueToff

Player Valuation: £70m
So you honestly wouldn't trade the effort we had under Moyes compared to what we've had to endure for the past number of seasons under Martinez/Koeman/Silva/Ancelotti?

All we have seen lately is the same suspects dodge 50/50's, stroll around, not pressing, not tackling, pointing and hiding at team mates whilst pretending to look busy we need a change in direction.

Players like James who's extremely talented is great but there is a reason why he is at a midtable club and not a Champions League one and thats his injuries/attitude/work ethic.

The likes of him, Gomes, Iwobi, Benard, Siggurdsson all the same type of player - tippy tappy, nice on the ball but nowhere to be seen when the opposition fancy a battle on the day.

Richarlison is a good player but he has fight/work ethic

Godfrey is a good player but he has fight/work ethic

DCL is a good player but has work ethic and starting to show some fight to his game

We need to start bringing in more players like them as thats how we start climbing the table and punching above our weight - not building a team around a fella who's never fit, is indulged and above his team mates and wont be here in 12 months time.
But James is by far better than any of these, so get rid of those before you consider getting rid of James.

In the process, you save circa £350k a week on wages so that the £120k on James suddenly isn't a problem.

James directly contributed to 15 goals last season. That's a lot of goals to replace based on £5m saved wages and possibly a nominal fee.
 

BlueStevie35

Player Valuation: £70m
I support EVERTON all included. This manager needs our support. We are Evertonians when you come.into our house we put the kettle on. We have class. I will show him hospitality. I will help him help The Èv.
Enough of that

The manager needs to keep fans onside, forcing out one of our best and most creative players isn’t the way to go
 

Dwight K Schrute

Player Valuation: £2.5m
So you honestly wouldn't trade the effort we had under Moyes compared to what we've had to endure for the past number of seasons under Martinez/Koeman/Silva/Ancelotti?

All we have seen lately is the same suspects dodge 50/50's, stroll around, not pressing, not tackling, pointing and hiding at team mates whilst pretending to look busy we need a change in direction.

Players like James who's extremely talented is great but there is a reason why he is at a midtable club and not a Champions League one and thats his injuries/attitude/work ethic.

The likes of him, Gomes, Benard, Siggurdsson all the same type of player - tippy tappy, nice on the ball but nowhere to be seen when the opposition fancy a battle on the day.

Richarlison is a good player but he has fight/work ethic

Godfrey is a good player but he has fight/work ethic

We need to start bringing in more players like them as thats how we start climbing the table and punching above our weight - not building a team around a fella who's never fit and wont be here in 12 months time.
But your attitude is typical of a lot of Evertonians. Small-time go nowhere football, played by small-time go nowhere players, such as you are advocating won't get us anywhere.

Just because we've bought badly and tried different things doesn't mean we need to go back to the Moyes days and style. That's a mad way or thinking about it. Similarly the fear a lot of fans give over having a manager that wants to play passing football just because we had Martinez- who wasn't very good at it, as the best passing teams still press and are aggressive a la Guaridola's team - is weird.

People talk of a desire for trophies and competing at the top end of the table but always advocate the kinds of things that will NEVER get us there. We need to sign young, pacy hungry players, get in a young, innovative manager who plays progressive football.

But the club mirrors the fanbase - always looking for PL experience, afraid to take risks, would rather give game time to or sign an experienced player knowing they are poor than risk something on young unknowns who may exceed expectation, would rather see a lad run around a bit and put a tackle in than see any real quality. When in fact we should demand BOTH. Either or is never really going to get us anywhere long-term but people believe that one is much better than the other.

But if it is going to be either or (particularly in the instance of our main playmaker) then we should marginally favour quality. And what I hear used a lot is that 'so and so is a talented footballer but doesn't put the effort in', but I think that is fundamentally untrue. Bernard is not a very good footballer, Iwobi isn't, Gomes isn't and so on. The only one that adage could maybe apply to is Sigurdsson- but we apply that to all players that aren't good enough that don't look like British grocks (e.g. Michael Keane).

James produces. His numbers show that he produces. If he ran round a bit more and had the exact same numbers our fans would be creaming themselves. You then need to ask yourself; if he isn't running around like a headless chicken but is getting those numbers, does he need to do it? Saha was the master of the pointless jog that wasn't really a concerted effort to get the ball but it made him look a bit bothered and our fans lapped it up. Same with Heitinga. And on the subject of pointing and not doing their own jobs properly, say hi to captain Neville. Moyes' main man. Plus, in James' case there were loads of games where he tracked back and was making tackles and coming to get the ball from the CBs to try and affect the game. Because he is brave - not a shirker.

Honestly, I find your attitude to him and our team totally baffling mate.
 
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Pabbers

Player Valuation: £70m
Be gutted if he leaves, but the way we seem to be forcing him out is a bit of disgrace to me.
Who do ww think we are telling a player like this he is “not needed”, the utter arrogance of it. Its not like we are top
4 monsters smashing teams all over the gaff.

and by “we” i clearly mean the royal we, or as in those making the decisions, and if its Rafael, then everyone needs be prepared to what he about to serve up for us.
I feel flat.
 

BlueToff

Player Valuation: £70m
But your attitude is typical of a lot of Evertonians. Small-time go nowhere football, played by small-time go nowhere players, such as you are advocating won't get us anywhere.

Just because we've bought badly and tried different things doesn't mean we need to go back to the Moyes days and style. That's a mad way or thinking about it. Similarly the fear a lot of fans give over having a manager that wants to play passing football just because we had Martinez- who wasn't very good at it, as the best passing teams still press and are aggressive a la Guaridola's team - is weird.

People talk of a desire for trophies and competing at the top end of the table but always advocate the kinds of things that will NEVER get us there. We need to sign young, pacy hungry players, get in a young, innovative manager who plays progressive football.

But the club mirrors the fanbase - always looking for PL experience, afraid to take risks, would rather give game time to or sign an experienced player knowing they are poor than risk something on young unknowns who may exceed expectation, would rather see a lad run around a bit and put a tackle in than see any real quality. When in fact we should demand BOTH. Either or is never really going to get us anywhere long-term but people believe that one is much better than the other.

But if it is going to be either or (particularly in the instance of our main playmaker) then we should marginally favour quality. And what I hear used a lot is that 'so and so is a talented footballer but doesn't put the effort in', but I think that is fundamentally untrue. Bernard is not a very good footballer, Iwobi isn't, Gomes isn't and so on. The only one that adage could maybe apply to is Sigurdsson- but we apply that to all players that aren't good enough that don't look like British grocks (e.g. Michael Keane).

James produces. His numbers show that he produces. If he ran round a hit more and had the exact same numbers our fans would be creaming themselves. You then need to ask yourself; if he isn't running around like a headless chicken but is getting those numbers, does he need to do it? Saha was the master of the pointless jog that wasn't really a concerted effort to get the ball but it made him look a bit bothered and our fans lapped it up. Same with Heitinga. Plus, in James' case there were loads of games where he tracked back and was making tackles and coming to get the ball from the CBs to try and affect the game. Because he is brave - not a shirker.

Honestly, I find your attitude to him an our team totally baffling mate.
Spot on.

This mad idea people have that he doesn't try is clearly based on some media-led stereotype.

Yeah, he's not a player who can physically cover as much ground quickly as others can. But that doesn't mean he doesn't try.

I like ForeverBlue, but his idea of a player to replace James is currently a lad bombed out of West Brom training because he isn't trying enough.
 

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