Is the invasions theory of British history accurate?

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The standard history of england is of a series of invasions in which each replaces the last. So the celts invaded and then the romans came and pushed out the celts and then the anglo saxons came and took over england and then drove the romans and celts into wales and then the saxons were replaced by vikings and finally by the normans.

The common strand being bloody war in which one population was forced out completely by the next.

Except this is increasingly rejected by modern historians. The Celts are increasingly seen not as one single invading army that conquered from the balkans to ireland but rather a set of languages and art that spread through a bunch of different people by trade.

And the idea of the anglo saxons being an invasion is increasingly seen to be the invention of a man named Gildas for use in a sermon rather than actual history. What it seems to be instead was a relatively peaceful immigration on a much smaller scale than imagined. Dna indicates that less than 40% of english even have one anglosaxon ancestor. When they dug up a saxon graveyard in yorkshire, there were more immigrants from cornwall than germany. There was undoubtably continental new habits catching on here (burial with weapons for instance) but that doesn't mean the british were forced out anymore than our watching american tv means we were driven out by yanks in the 1980s.

And again the number of scandinavian settlers is increasingly being questioned. And the normans saw a replacement of the noble class only, which seems far closer to the new theory about the danes and the saxons.

So a more modern theory is of a singular british people who rather than being forciably replaced, like say the natives of the usa, merely adopted the language and cultures of numerous foreign aristocracys. So we picked up the word beef from the normans and the word anger from the vikings but the people using them are mostly the same bunch who were there 2 and half thousand years ago.
 

Gildas De Excidio was written as a sermon on native Briton iniquity and how they couldn't get their stuff in order. While there appears tohave been a migration of Britons following Saxon settlement to Wales and Celtic areas how much of this is bloody is simply not known and influenced by the final letter of the Britons to the Romans pleading for help and later writing such as Bede. I think Gildas is mainly still looked at because it's one of the earliest example of British writing, a window on British (by which I mean Romano-Briton) history and the first mention of the hypothetical King Arthur.

Enough of Scandinavian invasions are known in history to know while they did settle, often they could be bloody (see: the Battle of Maldon)

The Normans only brought initially 10,000 men to Britain and by late-12th century all non-nobles were fully integrated with English (see the text Glanville for remarks similar to this). However they carried out attacks such as the harrying of the north which were utterly brutal.
 
The standard history of england is of a series of invasions in which each replaces the last. So the celts invaded and then the romans came and pushed out the celts and then the anglo saxons came and took over england and then drove the romans and celts into wales and then the saxons were replaced by vikings and finally by the normans.

The common strand being bloody war in which one population was forced out completely by the next.

Except this is increasingly rejected by modern historians. The Celts are increasingly seen not as one single invading army that conquered from the balkans to ireland but rather a set of languages and art that spread through a bunch of different people by trade.

And the idea of the anglo saxons being an invasion is increasingly seen to be the invention of a man named Gildas for use in a sermon rather than actual history. What it seems to be instead was a relatively peaceful immigration on a much smaller scale than imagined. Dna indicates that less than 40% of english even have one anglosaxon ancestor. When they dug up a saxon graveyard in yorkshire, there were more immigrants from cornwall than germany. There was undoubtably continental new habits catching on here (burial with weapons for instance) but that doesn't mean the british were forced out anymore than our watching american tv means we were driven out by yanks in the 1980s.

And again the number of scandinavian settlers is increasingly being questioned. And the normans saw a replacement of the noble class only, which seems far closer to the new theory about the danes and the saxons.

So a more modern theory is of a singular british people who rather than being forciably replaced, like say the natives of the usa, merely adopted the language and cultures of numerous foreign aristocracys. So we picked up the word beef from the normans and the word anger from the vikings but the people using them are mostly the same bunch who were there 2 and half thousand years ago.

No way am I helping you with your homework again.
 

The standard history of england is of a series of invasions in which each replaces the last. So the celts invaded and then the romans came and pushed out the celts and then the anglo saxons came and took over england and then drove the romans and celts into wales and then the saxons were replaced by vikings and finally by the normans.

The common strand being bloody war in which one population was forced out completely by the next.

Except this is increasingly rejected by modern historians. The Celts are increasingly seen not as one single invading army that conquered from the balkans to ireland but rather a set of languages and art that spread through a bunch of different people by trade.

And the idea of the anglo saxons being an invasion is increasingly seen to be the invention of a man named Gildas for use in a sermon rather than actual history. What it seems to be instead was a relatively peaceful immigration on a much smaller scale than imagined. Dna indicates that less than 40% of english even have one anglosaxon ancestor. When they dug up a saxon graveyard in yorkshire, there were more immigrants from cornwall than germany. There was undoubtably continental new habits catching on here (burial with weapons for instance) but that doesn't mean the british were forced out anymore than our watching american tv means we were driven out by yanks in the 1980s.

And again the number of scandinavian settlers is increasingly being questioned. And the normans saw a replacement of the noble class only, which seems far closer to the new theory about the danes and the saxons.

So a more modern theory is of a singular british people who rather than being forciably replaced, like say the natives of the usa, merely adopted the language and cultures of numerous foreign aristocracys. So we picked up the word beef from the normans and the word anger from the vikings but the people using them are mostly the same bunch who were there 2 and half thousand years ago.


You should hurry up and assimilate.

And Cornwell's historical fiction taught me that the Britons are all living in Wales with dung in their hair.
 
Gildas De Excidio was written as a sermon on native Briton iniquity and how they couldn't get their stuff in order. While there appears tohave been a migration of Britons following Saxon settlement to Wales and Celtic areas how much of this is bloody is simply not known and influenced by the final letter of the Britons to the Romans pleading for help and later writing such as Bede. I think Gildas is mainly still looked at because it's one of the earliest example of British writing, a window on British (by which I mean Romano-Briton) history and the first mention of the hypothetical King Arthur.

Enough of Scandinavian invasions are known in history to know while they did settle, often they could be bloody (see: the Battle of Maldon)

The Normans only brought initially 10,000 men to Britain and by late-12th century all non-nobles were fully integrated with English (see the text Glanville for remarks similar to this). However they carried out attacks such as the harrying of the north which were utterly brutal.

Gildas simply isn't accurate history. It's a sermon and it gets everything we can back up by other, roman, sources wrong. And bede was using gildas as a source.

The archoelogical evidence is overwhelming against a large scale invasion.
 

British or English ?

My point is that the distinction isn't a real one.

The welsh would have you believe that they're the real brits and we're all german invaders. Actually we're genetically of the same stock we're just cosmopolitan forwards thinking lads who were up on german culture and they were backwards country folks who didn't follow the latest fashions.
 

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